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Old 07-19-2007, 11:25 AM
whitelime whitelime is offline
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Default $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

The other player is good and views me as same. We don't have much relevant history. If you fold here, do you call AT?

Seat 2: David Benyamine ($26,595)
Seat 3: villain ($49,398.50)
Seat 5: hero ($40,000)
villain posts the small blind of $200
hero has 5 seconds left to act
hero posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
David Benyamine folds
villain raises to $1,200
hero raises to $4,000
villain calls $2,800
*** FLOP *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
villain checks
hero bets $6,300
villain calls $6,300
*** TURN *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
villain checks
hero checks
*** RIVER *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
villain checks
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero bets $16,800
villain raises to $30,000, and is all in

hero has ~ $13k left
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

I'd fold, but call AT quick.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

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I'd fold, but call AT quick.

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There are two hands that you lose to with AK, but beat with AT - A3 and A4. Are they likely enough to make AK a fold, but AT a quick call?
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

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I'd fold, but call AT quick.

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There are two hands that you lose to with AK, but beat with AT - A3 and A4. Are they likely enough to make AK a fold, but AT a quick call?

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I'm pretty sure that there are more than two.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

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I'd fold, but call AT quick.

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There are two hands that you lose to with AK, but beat with AT - A3 and A4. Are they likely enough to make AK a fold, but AT a quick call?

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I'm pretty sure that there are more than two.

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Er, right, any two pairs weaker than AT. I figure those would be even less likely than A3/A4.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

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I'd fold, but call AT after feeling sick and deliberating for awhile

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Old 07-19-2007, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

whats villians name? i hate these spots, i always make tilty calls w. TP when its so obviously not good -

its so player dependant you almost never see solid players making moves here but random unknown bad players are capable of ANYTHING i have learned over my experience so I would look them up lighter but if you say hes good, solid, whatever i'd fold quick
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

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The other player is good and views me as same. We don't have much relevant history. If you fold here, do you call AT?

Seat 2: David Benyamine ($26,595)
Seat 3: villain ($49,398.50)
Seat 5: hero ($40,000)
villain posts the small blind of $200
hero has 5 seconds left to act
hero posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
David Benyamine folds
villain raises to $1,200
hero raises to $4,000
villain calls $2,800
*** FLOP *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
villain checks
hero bets $6,300
villain calls $6,300
*** TURN *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
villain checks
hero checks
*** RIVER *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
villain checks
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero bets $16,800
villain raises to $30,000, and is all in

hero has ~ $13k left

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I think these are both folds without extensive history or good read on opponent.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:58 PM
Orlando Salazar Orlando Salazar is offline
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

fold.
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: $200/400 facing river C/R getting really good odds

It's gotta be a fold because he can never expect you to fold for this price and there isn't a hand worse than yours that he's value shoving on the river here.
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