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Old 09-09-2007, 09:43 PM
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Default KK facing turn re-raise on semi-drawy board.. Call/Shove/Fold?

Villain is 26/10/.7 over 98 hands:

2 Questions: #1) What kind of range can I put villain on here?

#2) If this was someone with stats of 25/21/4 does this change our decisions for our move on the turn?

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $24.75
BB: $50.50
Hero (UTG): $25.70
CO: $26.55
BTN: $25.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.80) (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $9.00</font>....

edit: If we do call on the turn, what is our action if a spade drops? How about an A? What if the board pairs?
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: KK facing turn re-raise on semi-drawy board.. Call/Shove/Fold?

1. Straights, sets, maybe overpairs, maybe something like As8s, possibly a random two pair. Given villain's passivity though, this looks like a fairly classic Baluga situation. Tough spot.

2. I think this kind of villain is more likely to do this with various kinds of draws, so I'd be happier to just stick it in
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:12 PM
Keitan Keitan is offline
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Default Re: KK facing turn re-raise on semi-drawy board.. Call/Shove/Fold?

I don't think calling is an option on the turn. It's shove/fold, and I think it's a fold - turn minraise is a monster way too often.
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:24 AM
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Default Re: KK facing turn re-raise on semi-drawy board.. Call/Shove/Fold?

Half the deck would be ugly to see on the turn, and there is a chance that your hand isn't good already. I really think the correct play is to fold the turn unless you have a good read on villains turn plays.

Hand range for villain 1 would include a lot of hands that beat you (low AF). Sets will make up a lot of his range, but some surprisingly weird hands will be in here too (these guys make some terrible bluffs and "value" plays). Fold or shove turn, but you really can't just call 20% of you stack so you can fold to a river bet.
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Old 09-10-2007, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: KK facing turn re-raise on semi-drawy board.. Call/Shove/Fold?

vs .7 just muck it unless u've seen him c/ring lots
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: KK facing turn re-raise on semi-drawy board.. Call/Shove/Fold?

I'd check/call a small river bet, even if a spade drops (a spade draw is not too likely because he bet turn). I think folding is a bit weak against a minraise. If it were a normal 3x 3bet I would consider folding more.
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