Tilt 6-max $109, Another Basic PF spot vs. Rizen

[mikeJ]

Exactly 1 orbit after my last hand and I folded the A4cc. This is the 3rd consecutive time he raised on button.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3069552249: $30,000 Guarantee (22248209), Table 20 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:18:53 ET - 2007/07/27
imweidhorn has returned
Seat 1: harryplug (6,684)
Seat 2: yoren8 (25,400)
Seat 3: imweidhorn (9,325), is sitting out
Seat 4: KwaziWabbit (8,010)
Seat 5: harmony52 (16,340)
Seat 6: Rizen (10,947)
harryplug antes 25
yoren8 antes 25
imweidhorn antes 25
KwaziWabbit antes 25
harmony52 antes 25
Rizen antes 25
harryplug posts the small blind of 120
yoren8 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yoren8 [A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
imweidhorn folds
KwaziWabbit folds
harmony52 folds
Rizen raises to 720
harryplug folds
yoren8 ?

At time, I was thinking that reraising AJ here has to be very profitable considering this was his 3rd time raising my blind. Although, i was intending to 3-bet and fold to a 4-bet in this specific instance, so then my hand is essentially a bluff, no? I didn't like calling because I let him see a free flop w/ like T8o or K6s where he has position and probably isn't going to be making huge mistakes postflop.

I spoke w/ chewy, and he seems to prefer a call since we dont know his 4-bet freq, and if he folds worse hands. He'd rather 3-bet w/ air. We agree that 3-betting is profitable, but he feels calling is even more profitable.

[Pudge714]

I think I would just three bet call a shove.

[s33w33d]

3 bet - the fact that you cover him by 2.5x helps.

[shaundeeb]

3bet and instacall his shove.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

chewy's right

[markysals11]

as they said, i definetely 3 bet, and call a shove

[TheNewf]

I definitely just call here.

[Exitonly]

If the past two times he's been on the button it's gone raise-fold, i dont think he's going to decide to 4 bet you light here (i think he'd fold AT)

If we had 3bet the A4s hand and taken it down preflop, then i like 3bet calling significantly more.

[luckychewy]

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If the past two times he's been on the button it's gone raise-fold, i dont think he's going to decide to 4 bet you light here (i think he'd fold AT)

If we had 3bet the A4s hand and taken it down preflop, then i like 3bet calling significantly more.

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fwiw, i'd like it even less then. i feel like after the first 3-bet, a 3-bet 1 orbit later will make him less inclined to play back because he will probably expect us to expect to get less respect.

[A_PLUS]

We repopped him the 2nd time he raised the button, right?

I doubt our hand is worth much more than 5BBs, playing OOP against a good player. That is what we win if he folds pf, so I am inclined to take it now. If we were to raise to 3500, and jam the flop (and call a push preflop), I would really doubt he could call profitably with the vast majority of his range. Not that I think that is necessarily the best line, but I think it is more profitable than a call. I don't know what Rizen's 4-bet range is here, but given we have done this in the last 2 orbits, I can't imagine folding AJ, which is pretty high in our expected range from his spot.