Stars 109fo: Flop strong draw multiway, checked to with awkward stacks

[Clayton]

No particular notes on anyone except the pre-flop raiser, who I find to be on the weaktight side and exploitable.

Notice stack sizes. For a freezeout this table is playing pretty deep.

The plan was that I flopped gin and I was going to raise the flop versus any betting action (unless bet and raised in front at which point I'd have to re-eval), but then everyone checked to me.

Thoughts? Stacks seem very weird. I don't want to bet on account of my not knowing what to do facing a shove (probably getting barely incorrect odds). This feels like a check, but I'm not certain.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB (t89,062)
BB (t70,588)
UTG (t15,306)
MP1 (t64,809)
MP2 (t38,995)
Hero (t164,263)
Button (t76,554)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 raises to t6000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t6000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t5000, BB calls t4000.

Flop: (t22,200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero

[ZJ123]

Im pretty sure you have odds to call anybodys shove if you bet like 20-24k here, though if it was the SB it might slightly incorrect. So without running any numbers, im betting near pot and calling everybodys shoves.

[TwistedEcho]

I would have folded preflop, im a nit and i would want MP1 to be deeper before calling here. Also, us calling creates a nice spot for button-BB to shove since nowadays everyone knows what a squeezeplay is.

Having seen that flop, i would bet ~18k and get it in if someone checkraises.

[registrar]

If you bet, it's because you're calling/shoving, unless all hell breaks loose and even then you'll be priced in. As no one is going to check-raise fold and you have position and because this flop should have hit someone, I'd probably just check behind unless I think there is a decent chance that someone is planning to check-call. But this looks like everyone is either going to fold to a bet (sweet, but there's no hurry) or, more likely, you're going to get shoved.

[nath]

you bet and then you call
or you shove

[LearnedfromTV]

what about check behind and shove a blank turn when someone bets?

Eh. Doesn't really rep anything. Just throwing it out there.

I like bet pot get it in best.

[LearnedfromTV]

btw if you bet 15k and sb shoves you have to call 75 to win 200 total = ~37%. Tonly thing you're worse than 40% against is a set or better fd. It's dumb to bet more just to price yourself in, but that's not what'll happen here - any reasonable bet commits you, and since sometimes they'll all fold, and sometimes they'll just call, giving you lots of good turn/river scenarios, bet/get it in seems best.

[registrar]

Yeah, as I said, if we bet, we call. But bet-sizing still matters in terms of the options we give them and whether we choose to let them think they have FE or not.

[imabigdeal]

bet bet bet

[bigbabyjesus]

dude you flopped the nuts and your equity is going to be awesome against everyone, also, you take this pot down quite a bit by betting here.