Thoughts on vp$ip

[MattHH]

I have been thinking about ways to use vp$ip to help put opponents on hand ranges.

What I am concerned about is figuring out a rule of thumb to deduct the vp$ip in the small blind, to figure out what their vp$ip is when not the small blind. First of all, do y'all think it is a safe assumption that most will play 2x as many hands from the small blind? (I don't have enough data in PT right now to verify this with evidence.)

If this is correct, this means that if you are at a 10 handed table they are 2x as likely to vp$ip one out of every ten hands. Therefore you can divide their vp$ip stat by 10, multiply the result by 2 and then subtract that from their vp$ip stat to figure out their vp$ip when not sb. I'm not sure if this is correct or not, but here is an example:

Let's say that PT says they have a vp$ip of 30%

30% / 10 = 3% x 2 = 6%

30% - 6% = 24%

Their vp$ip when not sb is 24%.


Is this logic flawed or no?

[Gonso]

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First of all, do y'all think it is a safe assumption that most will play 2x as many hands from the small blind?

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I think this is a very unsafe assumption, my vpip from the SB is lower than my overall vpip. This might be different if you play at a limit where players tend to limp a lot, but most of the time I'm folding to a raise.

You could do this the easy way and check the player's position stats in your PT database. It will tell you what their VPIP is by position.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

I hate playing hands out of the small blind. I recently moved to a site with less preflop raising than the Stars games I was used to, so i suspect my VPIP for the next 100k will be higher than the last. But I'm not a big fan of playing a crummy hand in the worst possible position, especially for a raise.

I think its a bad assumption.

[MattHH]

I am referring to limit if it makes a difference. When I have a decent database in PT, I'll have to look to see if their is a rule of thumb to use.

[PocketElevens]

If they have a vpip of X%. Drag poker stove range bar to x%, click in the bottom pairs and suited connectors and click off some of the A8, K9 type hands until you're back to that %.
I think this gives you a pretty close comparison.

[jogsxyz]

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I am referring to limit if it makes a difference. When I have a decent database in PT, I'll have to look to see if their is a rule of thumb to use.

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PT lists each player's vp$ip from every position.
Just click the position stat tab.

[PantsOnFire]

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First of all, do y'all think it is a safe assumption that most will play 2x as many hands from the small blind?

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I would consider this a very major leak, so no.