call me a donkey.....but these FTP cap NL games are awesome

[elliot]

have top pair in position against a draw, you will get them to put in all 30BB at least 3/4 of the time.

people are calling off their entire "stack" to a flop checkraise regardless of the board, and i am absolutely loving it.

[elliot]

these games remind me so much of the 50BB glory days of party retard filled NL games its uncanny

[AtTheMovies]

lol. the ol 50BB party PLO games were beyond awesome. i was heartbroken when they "fixed" it.

[wahooriver]

I too love the cap games. They are profitable - but more important, they provide a chance to learn NL without too much damage.

I always played limit and SNGs. While I like SGNs and the no limit thought process, the few times I ventured to no limit tables I got beat up.

The cap games are helping me learn how to think a bit differently. I mix cap games with regular NL - and seem to improving my game.

And yes, you do get poorly thought out calls in cap games.

[Overdrive]

Cap games are the future of No limit. Well, maybe not, or maybe so [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But those games are rocking the casbah for sure. I've already paid for a couple of hookers with money from those games...

So, when is Ed Miller coming out with his No Limit Cap book? I can't wait for this one.

[Yads]

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they provide a chance to learn NL without too much damage.

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Don't kid yourself.

[kitaristi0]

You're a donkey.

[bkholdem]

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they provide a chance to learn NL without too much damage.

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Don't kid yourself.

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I think he has a valid point.

Where is an inexperienced player going to win a lot playing no limit?- only against worse players-and since he is inexperienced he has to play clueless players.

So if someone is inexerienced, and therefore likely to loose, where are they going to loose less? In a 300bb deep game, a 100bb deep game, or a 30bb deep game? It's simple really.

[jb9]

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So if someone is inexerienced, and therefore likely to loose, where are they going to loose less? In a 300bb deep game, a 100bb deep game, or a 30bb deep game? It's simple really.

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If your goal is to lose the least amount of money, you have already lost.

All the 30bb game does is change the implied odds such that the game is greatly simplified. It doesn't actually minimize the amount of money you can lose -- it just changes hand values and should increases variance as you will be all in on the flop fairly often.

If you want to limit your loss potential, you can just play lower stakes. There are plenty of $2 and $10 NL games out there and you can leave whenever you double up (and you can even buy in short to the $2 games if you want to be really really careful).

If the Cap games themselves are more profitable for you because they suit your playing style or the competition is making a large number of errors, then that is fine, but the structure itself really doesn't "protect" the player in terms of dollar amount lost (unless they have some psychological problem that allows them to happily play a $100NL CAP game for $30 a hand but they won't play a standard 100 bb buy in, no cap NL game for stakes lower than $100NL because they think anything below $100 is too small stakes).

[SomethingClever]

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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Cap games suck.