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Old 11-27-2007, 11:06 PM
renodoc renodoc is offline
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Default WSOPC $5K KK facing 4-bet (reality check)

3rd level of tourney.
100-200 blinds. 10K starting chips.

Hero has 12K, villain about 16K or so.

Villain has been pretty active, but has never 4-bet preflop. Not once. At one point, villain took down a hand with T8o on a T-high board vs. hero's 99. Villain has also limped with 63s and made trips.

Hero has a fairly tight image, and has shown very few hands. One time showed AK calling a short stack's all-in.

UTG limps (as has been common)
folded to villain in MP who makes it 750
folded to Hero in LP with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] who makes it 2250
folded to villain who makes it 5250

Hero?

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If there is going to be any discussion here, I'd like to know if anyone thinks that there is any line better than pushing? I assume no one folds, but is calling and evaluating the flop an option?

Also, does it matter if villain is a known pro or not?
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: WSOPC $5K KK facing 4-bet (reality check)

standard shove, villian put in enough chips that i doubt he'll be able to fold queens or ak... if you just call he can potentially fold either postflop.

im never folding kings 60bb deep without some sort of ridiculously strong read. shove and its really not close imo.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: WSOPC $5K KK facing 4-bet (reality check)

I disagree, it's a hell of a lot closer than you think. Depending on how I'm feeling at the table and maybe with a dose of live tells thrown in, I could fold this. He's certainly trying to let you throw it away.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: WSOPC $5K KK facing 4-bet (reality check)

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im never folding kings 60bb deep without some sort of ridiculously strong

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how much stronger of a read do you need than, "never 4bet" limped and 4bet super small utg"?

I would strongly consider folding here but would probably end up jamming.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:17 AM
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im never folding kings 60bb deep without some sort of ridiculously strong

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how much stronger of a read do you need than, "never 4bet" limped and 4bet super small utg"?

I would strongly consider folding here but would probably end up jamming.

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just for clarity, villain was in MP, and the UTG limped to start the action and then folded.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:21 AM
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standard shove, villian put in enough chips that i doubt he'll be able to fold queens or ak... if you just call he can potentially fold either postflop.


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Does this imply you have a range in mind for villain after this 4-bet? (ie. AK, QQ+)
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: WSOPC $5K KK facing 4-bet (reality check)

Push.

It's not really a 4-bet. The UTG limp means nothing. Villian raises, you raise, he reraises. QQ is just as likely as AA. JJ and AK are not out of the realm of possibility. Push.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:38 AM
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I'd ship it in, but live and with this bet sizing I wouldn't be doing any fistpumping.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:39 AM
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I'd ship it in, but live and with this bet sizing I wouldn't be doing any fistpumping.

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QFT
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:37 AM
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Default Re: WSOPC $5K KK facing 4-bet (reality check)

I agree with Watts, but how deep do we need to be to consider folding here?
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