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Old 11-27-2007, 04:48 AM
FatalError FatalError is offline
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Default NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

hand previous to this toto leonides opens for 3k and i shove 24k and take it down

6 handed, paying 5 spots coming back for tv table tommorow

500-1k 100 ante

Allen Kesseler(60k)
Toto Leonides(50k)
Asian Dude(20k)
Me(30k)
Unknown SB(30k)
Good BB(45k)

kessler folds
toto opens 3k again and has been opening a lot of pots and playing lots of hands since we got 9 handed
fold to me OTB w/ TT

Options are:

call to take a flop or induce a squeeze
3 bet and call a shove
3 bet and fold to a shove
i go all in

rank these 1-4 with some reasoning
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:02 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

1) 3 bet and call a shove- 6 handed with 30bbs against na aggressive player, i think this is the best option, hes 4 bets 99 right?
2/3) close between calling and shoving, i think calling is better
4) 3 bet folding makes me cry.
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

1) 3bet/call
2)shove
3)call



4)minraise








3bet/fold
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:35 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

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1) 3 bet and call a shove- 6 handed with 30bbs against na aggressive player, i think this is the best option, hes 4 bets 99 right?
2/3) close between calling and shoving, i think calling is better
4) 3 bet folding makes me cry.

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2 could be bumped up and replace 1 IFF (if and only if for Shaun) we have a significant enough read that blinds will squeeze. I know you gave the reads you did, but I need something more than that to think they're squeezing here often enough, and it also matters a ton because of what their perceived calling range for YOU is. Given your reads we have NO clue of that, so...
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:03 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

What's your image? I think it's pretty key here. If you've been active, Toto will prob assume you're a crazy internet kid. If not, he'll probably think the bubble's important to you and have a muuuch tighter 4 bet range.

If active, rr to 8400 snap call shove. If not active, rr to 8400 and snap fold IMHO.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

devo if you planning on 3betfolding why waste 10s on it just flat and play postflop I am calling most flops vs him anyway

I like calling and lots of calling postflop.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

pretty stnd shove imo... every other option is quite a bit worse imo w/ past history/opponent etc.
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

I like flat here the most. Normally I'd prefer rr/call against a very aggro player who will 4bet lighter than most but you saying you shoved over his open the hand right before this changes my line for this hand. Very Very few people are capable of making a rr as a play/bluff two times in a row, and as "crazy" as Toto might be he's gonna know this. I bet when you looked down at your cards you were hoping to have 72o so you could just catch your breath from the prev. hand and finish stacking your chips etc. Obv when you look down at TT, you realize you have no choice but to get involved again. The idea is that Toto will know you are never 3betting light here, and thus should play perfectly against you, shoving with hands that beat you, folding with hand that don't. It's still not a bad option to rr/call I guess, because he's going to be folding most of the time, just not as good as flat imo.

1. call to take a flop or induce a squeeze
2. 3b/call a shove
3. Shove
4. 3/b fold to shove
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:59 AM
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AGame i'm pretty sure you are in the minority with that mindset. If I were in OP's spot and looked down at TT, I'd be ecstatic and ready to double up.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

lol @ prefering to look down at 72o to TT on the bubble of a donkament

how is 3bet fold even an option? i don't get it. i would 3bet-call, but shoving is just as goot, and everything else is significantly worse imo
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