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07-05-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: Help me create the Ultimate Superhero!
tl;dr (never been more on the money)
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07-06-2007, 01:54 AM
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Re: Help me create the Ultimate Superhero!
ok, so TL;DR -
LuckayLuck manages to break the game by creating a superhero that manages to duplicate itself a million times, therefore having FIVE MILLION attacks each round the AIM Chatlog: =========== lastchanceXV (9:36:02 PM): so lastchanceXV (9:36:04 PM): how is the character creation coming along? LuckayLuck (9:37:02 PM): I found LuckayLuck (9:37:04 PM): the imbalanced skill LuckayLuck (9:37:05 PM): duplicate lastchanceXV (9:38:48 PM): duplicate? LuckayLuck (9:39:03 PM): yeah LuckayLuck (9:39:04 PM): basically LuckayLuck (9:39:06 PM): 10 points LuckayLuck (9:39:09 PM): and you create a clone of yourself LuckayLuck (9:39:11 PM): and then here's the kicker LuckayLuck (9:39:14 PM): for each additional 2 points LuckayLuck (9:39:16 PM): you get an extra clone LuckayLuck (9:39:22 PM): so LuckayLuck (9:39:25 PM): with 20 points LuckayLuck (9:39:34 PM): you increase your power by SIX TIMES LuckayLuck (9:40:16 PM): you get like LuckayLuck (9:40:22 PM): with a speed of 6 lastchanceXV (9:40:28 PM): nice LuckayLuck (9:40:28 PM): you get 42 attacks LuckayLuck (9:40:29 PM): a turn lastchanceXV (9:40:31 PM): HUGE XP\ lastchanceXV (9:40:37 PM): OMFG lastchanceXV (9:41:03 PM): actually lastchanceXV (9:41:05 PM): with 20 points lastchanceXV (9:41:14 PM): you can make 2^5 lastchanceXV (9:41:16 PM): copies of yourself LuckayLuck (9:41:33 PM): wtfrusmoking lastchanceXV (9:41:45 PM): read duplication LuckayLuck (9:41:47 PM): your clones cannot clone themselves lastchanceXV (9:41:53 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (9:42:11 PM): For every 2 points spent in addition to this, the player may make twice as many duplicates (for 12 points two duplicates are allowed, for 14 points 4 duplicates are allowed, etc.) lastchanceXV (9:42:12 PM): !!!!!!! LuckayLuck (9:42:40 PM): OH LuckayLuck (9:42:41 PM): ROFLROFROPLFROFORORFL LuckayLuck (9:42:44 PM): HOLY COW LuckayLuck (9:42:48 PM): PFFFFFT lastchanceXV (9:42:50 PM): Multiform LuckayLuck (9:42:51 PM): I JUST SPIT OUT MY lastchanceXV (9:42:52 PM): is also broken LuckayLuck (9:42:54 PM): DRINK lastchanceXV (9:42:56 PM): LOL LuckayLuck (9:42:57 PM): huh? lastchanceXV (9:43:02 PM): multiform LuckayLuck (9:43:02 PM): lemme read up on multi lastchanceXV (9:43:36 PM): oh wait lastchanceXV (9:43:40 PM): hrmm... lastchanceXV (9:43:45 PM): obv lastchanceXV (9:43:49 PM): you pick one and go with it lastchanceXV (9:43:50 PM): ldo lastchanceXV (9:44:25 PM): mind link lastchanceXV (9:44:28 PM): is broken for seers! LuckayLuck (9:44:30 PM): yes LuckayLuck (9:44:32 PM): I was about to suggest LuckayLuck (9:44:35 PM): that everyone takes mind link LuckayLuck (9:44:36 PM): but then LuckayLuck (9:44:38 PM): I coudl be evil LuckayLuck (9:44:39 PM): lol lastchanceXV (9:44:49 PM): seer feeding peek lastchanceXV (9:44:52 PM): to their peeks lastchanceXV (9:44:52 PM): ldo LuckayLuck (9:44:56 PM): is the imbalanced LuckayLuck (9:45:03 PM): WOAH lastchanceXV (9:45:03 PM): truth LuckayLuck (9:45:04 PM): since you get xp LuckayLuck (9:45:06 PM): after missions LuckayLuck (9:45:09 PM): if I'm a villager LuckayLuck (9:45:12 PM): I'll make the strategy post LuckayLuck (9:45:14 PM): to go on a 2 point mission LuckayLuck (9:45:18 PM): and then learn mind link LuckayLuck (9:45:19 PM): as the seer LuckayLuck (9:45:22 PM): wowww LuckayLuck (9:45:24 PM): sooo good lastchanceXV (9:45:27 PM): :-) lastchanceXV (9:45:44 PM): telepathy is worthless? lastchanceXV (9:45:48 PM): multiform is good lastchanceXV (9:45:50 PM): but obv lastchanceXV (9:45:52 PM): duplication is better lastchanceXV (9:45:55 PM): because of the mass xp LuckayLuck (9:45:59 PM): actually lastchanceXV (9:45:59 PM): of going on every single mission lastchanceXV (9:46:00 PM): ldo LuckayLuck (9:46:00 PM): I'm thinking of LuckayLuck (9:46:03 PM): just laying low LuckayLuck (9:46:06 PM): pretending I built my character LuckayLuck (9:46:07 PM): very badly LuckayLuck (9:46:10 PM): and then on the final mission LuckayLuck (9:46:12 PM): I bring in all my invisible LuckayLuck (9:46:15 PM): duplicaties LuckayLuck (9:46:17 PM): lol lastchanceXV (9:46:18 PM): haha LuckayLuck (9:46:29 PM): I thnik I'll basically LuckayLuck (9:46:31 PM): send myself invisible LuckayLuck (9:46:33 PM): on all missions LuckayLuck (9:46:36 PM): and don't show myself LuckayLuck (9:46:38 PM): unless it's going very bad LuckayLuck (9:46:40 PM): that way the writeups LuckayLuck (9:46:43 PM): will never give off any info about me LuckayLuck (9:46:45 PM): and I'll get xp LuckayLuck (9:46:49 PM): I am sooo good at this game LuckayLuck (9:46:57 PM): well no LuckayLuck (9:46:58 PM): that's dumb LuckayLuck (9:47:00 PM): I'll just go on 1 at a time LuckayLuck (9:47:07 PM): take 1 on each night LuckayLuck (9:47:12 PM): that way I can expend myself lastchanceXV (9:47:15 PM): come on LuckayLuck (9:47:15 PM): fully LuckayLuck (9:47:16 PM): and then rest LuckayLuck (9:47:19 PM): and just alternate lastchanceXV (9:47:21 PM): the duplication trick is ridiculous LuckayLuck (9:47:28 PM): that's ridiculous lastchanceXV (9:47:32 PM): The copy (or copies) are completely independent that is, the player may have himself and all duplicates act as individual characters on a single mission, OR may send a copy on one mission while the base character goes on a different mission! LuckayLuck (9:47:32 PM): I dind't realize it was exponentialy lastchanceXV (9:47:33 PM): OMFG lastchanceXV (9:47:34 PM): !!!! LuckayLuck (9:47:39 PM): right LuckayLuck (9:47:41 PM): btu the problem there is LuckayLuck (9:47:44 PM): if I'm too powerful LuckayLuck (9:47:46 PM): the wolves will kill me LuckayLuck (9:47:53 PM): if the news write up is like LuckayLuck (9:47:59 PM): "LuckayLuck goes on 6 missions and wins them all" LuckayLuck (9:48:04 PM): things are going to go down =p lastchanceXV (9:48:41 PM): lol LuckayLuck (9:49:09 PM): I am definitely sure LuckayLuck (9:49:11 PM): that duplicate LuckayLuck (9:49:13 PM): is terribly imbalanced lastchanceXV (9:49:15 PM): is broken? LuckayLuck (9:49:17 PM): and that each additional duplicate lastchanceXV (9:49:17 PM): multiform LuckayLuck (9:49:18 PM): SHOULD LuckayLuck (9:49:19 PM): have cost +10 lastchanceXV (9:49:21 PM): I think is also broken LuckayLuck (9:49:23 PM): multiform isn't bad LuckayLuck (9:49:25 PM): it's basically lastchanceXV (9:49:26 PM): really? LuckayLuck (9:49:27 PM): you get to spend all your points LuckayLuck (9:49:30 PM): on random stuff LuckayLuck (9:49:35 PM): then you transform into your bear or whatever LuckayLuck (9:49:38 PM): which has all the combat stuff lastchanceXV (9:49:42 PM): no lastchanceXV (9:49:48 PM): u spend all your points on multiform lastchanceXV (9:49:52 PM): (except for body points, ldo) lastchanceXV (9:50:01 PM): allows you to get like lastchanceXV (9:50:08 PM): 200+ character points lastchanceXV (9:50:11 PM): or something ridiculous lastchanceXV (9:50:19 PM): and transform lastchanceXV (9:50:32 PM): multiform duplicate comb lastchanceXV (9:50:35 PM): combo*? LuckayLuck (9:50:44 PM): omg LuckayLuck (9:50:48 PM): your bear form LuckayLuck (9:50:50 PM): has duplicate LuckayLuck (9:50:52 PM): lolololol lastchanceXV (9:51:24 PM): oh wait lastchanceXV (9:51:25 PM): n/m lastchanceXV (9:51:29 PM): you're right lastchanceXV (9:51:33 PM): I read multiform lastchanceXV (9:51:35 PM): not that good LuckayLuck (9:51:41 PM): right I just glazwed over it lastchanceXV (9:51:43 PM): Each form can be built on between 30 and 65 points, so long as the form also takes enough disadvantages such that Points minus Disadvantages comes out to 25 (e.g., a 65 point form requires 40 points in disadvantages, a 30 point form requires 5 points in disadvantages). LuckayLuck (9:51:45 PM): I thought it was some flavor thing LuckayLuck (9:51:47 PM): like LuckayLuck (9:51:50 PM): where you're just a bear LuckayLuck (9:51:53 PM): shrug lastchanceXV (9:51:55 PM): lol lastchanceXV (9:51:58 PM): I mean LuckayLuck (9:52:04 PM): I think lastchanceXV (9:52:04 PM): missing that is teh suck lastchanceXV (9:52:05 PM): obviously LuckayLuck (9:52:06 PM): it's just a normal character lastchanceXV (9:52:07 PM): duplication lastchanceXV (9:52:08 PM): ftw LuckayLuck (9:52:09 PM): but an animal lastchanceXV (9:53:15 PM): lol paramedic LuckayLuck (9:53:22 PM): lol so bad lastchanceXV (9:54:16 PM): teleportation LuckayLuck (9:54:21 PM): ok so I'm pretty sure lastchanceXV (9:54:21 PM): is good LuckayLuck (9:54:23 PM): is terrible lastchanceXV (9:54:26 PM): really? LuckayLuck (9:54:44 PM): oh LuckayLuck (9:54:47 PM): well LuckayLuck (9:54:49 PM): no LuckayLuck (9:54:50 PM): it's baiscally LuckayLuck (9:54:51 PM): +1 speed LuckayLuck (9:54:55 PM): in special situations LuckayLuck (9:55:13 PM): so ok lastchanceXV (9:55:15 PM): are we talking about the same skill? LuckayLuck (9:55:18 PM): yeah LuckayLuck (9:55:20 PM): I think LuckayLuck (9:55:26 PM): Characters with Teleportation can move freely between combat ranges as a combat action; they can move from one range to any other range as 1 action, and are not restricted in hand-to-hand combat to remaining in combat with one group until that group is defeated. They may teleport into hand-to-hand combat with any other group, may teleport to Firing Range or Non-Combat Range, at their option. lastchanceXV (9:55:36 PM): ok, yeah lastchanceXV (9:55:37 PM): I got it lastchanceXV (9:55:40 PM): I thought you could like lastchanceXV (9:55:42 PM): teleport lastchanceXV (9:55:48 PM): to a different mission or something LuckayLuck (9:55:53 PM): lol LuckayLuck (9:55:56 PM): jesus you're bad at raeding LuckayLuck (9:56:01 PM): for sheer power LuckayLuck (9:56:03 PM): it's def. duplicate LuckayLuck (9:56:10 PM): it's the only skill LuckayLuck (9:56:13 PM): with exponential LuckayLuck (9:56:14 PM): growth LuckayLuck (9:56:15 PM): hell lastchanceXV (9:56:16 PM): truth LuckayLuck (9:56:17 PM): I orgiainllly thought lastchanceXV (9:56:20 PM): lol LuckayLuck (9:56:21 PM): it's the only skill with LINEAR growth LuckayLuck (9:56:32 PM): ridonkulous lastchanceXV (9:56:36 PM): :-) LuckayLuck (9:56:44 PM): so basically LuckayLuck (9:56:46 PM): 18 dex LuckayLuck (9:56:52 PM): ?? body ?? ego LuckayLuck (9:56:55 PM): and then the rest in duplication LuckayLuck (9:56:58 PM): oh LuckayLuck (9:57:02 PM): and invisible of course LuckayLuck (9:57:19 PM): if I do a lot of duplication LuckayLuck (9:57:22 PM): I obv. have to take endurance LuckayLuck (9:57:25 PM): no endurance I mean LuckayLuck (9:57:28 PM): as the powerup LuckayLuck (9:57:29 PM): soooo LuckayLuck (9:57:34 PM): 10 = 1 dup LuckayLuck (9:57:35 PM): 12 = 2 dup LuckayLuck (9:57:37 PM): 14 = 4 LuckayLuck (9:57:38 PM): 16 = 8 LuckayLuck (9:57:41 PM): 18 = 16 LuckayLuck (9:57:43 PM): 20 = 32 LuckayLuck (9:57:46 PM): I think 32 is solid LuckayLuck (9:57:48 PM): lol lastchanceXV (9:57:50 PM): lol lastchanceXV (9:57:52 PM): 22 = 64 lastchanceXV (9:57:56 PM): omfg lastchanceXV (9:57:58 PM): 32*6 lastchanceXV (9:58:00 PM): actions a turn LuckayLuck (9:58:03 PM): lolololol LuckayLuck (9:58:05 PM): jesus LuckayLuck (9:58:16 PM): we're so good at this game lastchanceXV (9:58:32 PM): lol lastchanceXV (9:58:35 PM): hmm... lastchanceXV (9:58:40 PM): maybe you don't even need dexterity LuckayLuck (9:58:50 PM): hmmmmm lastchanceXV (9:58:57 PM): just make more duplicates LuckayLuck (9:59:00 PM): well LuckayLuck (9:59:04 PM): I need it LuckayLuck (9:59:06 PM): for the defense LuckayLuck (9:59:10 PM): so the duplicates don't get destroyed lastchanceXV (9:59:11 PM): and the hit lastchanceXV (9:59:11 PM): hugh LuckayLuck (9:59:12 PM): in some sort of lastchanceXV (9:59:14 PM): huh* LuckayLuck (9:59:14 PM): explosion LuckayLuck (9:59:15 PM): yeah LuckayLuck (9:59:17 PM): dex is def. good lastchanceXV (9:59:19 PM): instead of dexterity though LuckayLuck (9:59:19 PM): definitely need 18 dex lastchanceXV (9:59:21 PM): use like body lastchanceXV (9:59:22 PM): ?? LuckayLuck (9:59:25 PM): hmm LuckayLuck (9:59:27 PM): nah LuckayLuck (9:59:30 PM): dex is still the imba lastchanceXV (9:59:31 PM): you're probably right lastchanceXV (9:59:36 PM): duplicate is more imba :P LuckayLuck (9:59:50 PM): I'm gonna need to take the no endurance LuckayLuck (9:59:54 PM): which means LuckayLuck (10:00:00 PM): it'll be 150% cost LuckayLuck (10:00:01 PM): hmm LuckayLuck (10:00:08 PM): so if I did 20 LuckayLuck (10:00:08 PM): it'd be 30 LuckayLuck (10:00:12 PM): and I don't have that many points LuckayLuck (10:00:35 PM): with 18, it'd be 27, I think I can afford that LuckayLuck (10:00:42 PM): 27 + 18 = 45 and i take 4 points for invis LuckayLuck (10:00:56 PM): oh LuckayLuck (10:00:57 PM): invis is 5 LuckayLuck (10:00:58 PM): how convenient lastchanceXV (10:01:05 PM): u think invis is broken? LuckayLuck (10:01:10 PM): yeah LuckayLuck (10:01:37 PM): if I get the 65 point LuckayLuck (10:01:38 PM): package LuckayLuck (10:01:41 PM): then LuckayLuck (10:01:43 PM): wowowow lastchanceXV (10:03:20 PM): yeah, I know lastchanceXV (10:03:32 PM): maybe I should join lastchanceXV (10:03:36 PM): and we'lll take lovers :P LuckayLuck (10:03:39 PM): :P LuckayLuck (10:03:44 PM): alright soooo LuckayLuck (10:03:46 PM): let's see LuckayLuck (10:03:48 PM): I think LuckayLuck (10:03:50 PM): you have to duplicate LuckayLuck (10:03:53 PM): as an action LuckayLuck (10:03:54 PM): in combat LuckayLuck (10:04:01 PM): I don't think you can do it pre-combat LuckayLuck (10:04:10 PM): wait that doesn't make sense lastchanceXV (10:04:37 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:04:44 PM): I think you just have duplicates running around lastchanceXV (10:04:51 PM): and you can go send them wherever LuckayLuck (10:05:19 PM): we need to look into power limitations also LuckayLuck (10:05:20 PM): like LuckayLuck (10:05:22 PM): if I have to gesture LuckayLuck (10:05:25 PM): t omake a duplicate LuckayLuck (10:05:28 PM): if I can do that pre-combat LuckayLuck (10:05:32 PM): I can just take on all these limitations LuckayLuck (10:05:34 PM): concentration LuckayLuck (10:05:36 PM): extra action LuckayLuck (10:05:37 PM): gestures LuckayLuck (10:05:39 PM): incantations LuckayLuck (10:05:40 PM): I could take all of that LuckayLuck (10:11:56 PM): Actions: 1 action in combat, N/A if created prior to combat Ranged: No Allowed Advantages: • Zero Action • Zero Endurance (at +1/2) Allowed Limitations: All LuckayLuck (10:11:58 PM): oh wow LuckayLuck (10:11:59 PM): so LuckayLuck (10:12:04 PM): I'm going to take every limitation LuckayLuck (10:12:09 PM): since I can create prior to combat LuckayLuck (10:13:10 PM): so to counter the zero endurance LuckayLuck (10:13:15 PM): we can have gestures + incantations lastchanceXV (10:13:43 PM): -6 str lastchanceXV (10:13:45 PM): doesn't mattere lastchanceXV (10:13:48 PM): for ur character LuckayLuck (10:13:53 PM): actually LuckayLuck (10:13:57 PM): apparently I'm doing pure melee damage LuckayLuck (10:13:59 PM): so it does matter LuckayLuck (10:14:01 PM): actually LuckayLuck (10:14:05 PM): I should get like a bow or something LuckayLuck (10:14:24 PM): ok so for duplication LuckayLuck (10:14:27 PM): I'm going to get the following limitations: LuckayLuck (10:14:51 PM): concentration, extra action, gestures, incantations LuckayLuck (10:14:54 PM): therefore reducing the sklil cost by 125% LuckayLuck (10:15:00 PM): making the cost of duplicate LuckayLuck (10:15:01 PM): 25% LuckayLuck (10:15:10 PM): so if I have 20 points of duplicate LuckayLuck (10:15:14 PM): meaning 5^6 clones LuckayLuck (10:15:28 PM): that's only 5 points LuckayLuck (10:15:34 PM): omg LuckayLuck (10:15:39 PM): so let's get LuckayLuck (10:15:50 PM): let's get 60 points of duplicate lastchanceXV (10:15:51 PM): so, you reduced it by 5 points? LuckayLuck (10:15:53 PM): no LuckayLuck (10:15:56 PM): I reduce the skill LuckayLuck (10:16:01 PM): by a factor of 4 LuckayLuck (10:16:01 PM): so LuckayLuck (10:16:04 PM): 4 points of duplicate LuckayLuck (10:16:05 PM): becomes 1 point LuckayLuck (10:16:07 PM): soooo LuckayLuck (10:16:09 PM): with those limitations LuckayLuck (10:16:13 PM): and 60 points in duplicate lastchanceXV (10:16:15 PM): I don't think you get it LuckayLuck (10:16:16 PM): it'll be 15 points lastchanceXV (10:16:17 PM): I'm pretty sure lastchanceXV (10:16:20 PM): that duplicate lastchanceXV (10:16:26 PM): costs a fixed cost lastchanceXV (10:16:30 PM): and all of those limitations LuckayLuck (10:16:30 PM): therefore getting lastchanceXV (10:16:32 PM): limit it lastchanceXV (10:16:36 PM): so 20 points in duplicate lastchanceXV (10:16:42 PM): -1/4 LuckayLuck (10:16:55 PM): right so LuckayLuck (10:16:59 PM): if I had duplicate LuckayLuck (10:17:03 PM): with the limitation of gestures LuckayLuck (10:17:06 PM): then the cost wold be 75% LuckayLuck (10:17:11 PM): -1/4 LuckayLuck (10:17:14 PM): but I'm also taking lastchanceXV (10:17:14 PM): WUT lastchanceXV (10:17:15 PM): WUT WUT lastchanceXV (10:17:16 PM): WUT LuckayLuck (10:17:19 PM): I'm also taking lastchanceXV (10:17:23 PM): OMFG LuckayLuck (10:17:23 PM): concentration, incantations LuckayLuck (10:17:29 PM): and extra action LuckayLuck (10:17:31 PM): so therefore LuckayLuck (10:17:35 PM): the cost is reduced by LuckayLuck (10:17:37 PM): 125% LuckayLuck (10:17:41 PM): wait wtf LuckayLuck (10:17:42 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:17:49 PM): hmm... lastchanceXV (10:17:53 PM): maybe it stacks? lastchanceXV (10:18:06 PM): or is it -1/4 of a point? lastchanceXV (10:18:08 PM): but that makes no sense LuckayLuck (10:18:13 PM): he had an example somewhere LuckayLuck (10:18:14 PM): lemme find it LuckayLuck (10:18:46 PM): but incatations + gestures LuckayLuck (10:18:50 PM): should be taken for pretty much everything LuckayLuck (10:20:20 PM): EXAMPLE: The laser pistol will be defined as a ranged killing attack. The player wants this to be a high intensity beam that can better penetrate common types of armor. It will be defined as a gun, so it can potentially be stolen from the character or be destroyed, and will have only six charges available per mission. To start, the power is defined as a 2 dice ranged killing attack – this means the gun will deal between 2 and 12 points of BODY damage when it hits a target. This gives the power a base cost of 12 points. To make it easier to penetrate armor, it is defined with the advantage armor piercing, which is a +1/2 advantage. The advantages multiplier is thus 1 ½, making the power’s active cost a total of 18. The limitation focus defines it as a gun, worth a ½ limitation. The gun is defined as having 6 charges that are recoverable between missions, so the player can shoot the gun a maximum of 6 times in battle before running out of power; this is a ¼ limitation. The limitations divider is thus 1 ¾, which drops the active cost of the power from 18 to 10. This is the total number of character points the player must spend to buy this laser pistol. LuckayLuck (10:20:51 PM): ok so LuckayLuck (10:20:55 PM): if I have a limitations of LuckayLuck (10:21:02 PM): 2 1/4 LuckayLuck (10:21:33 PM): a 20 point duplicate LuckayLuck (10:21:35 PM): becomes 9 points lastchanceXV (10:21:49 PM): and it stacks lastchanceXV (10:21:50 PM): wow LuckayLuck (10:21:54 PM): so let's make it lastchanceXV (10:21:57 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:21:58 PM): say LuckayLuck (10:22:00 PM): a 30 point duplicate lastchanceXV (10:22:05 PM): becomes 15 LuckayLuck (10:22:07 PM): 15^2 duplicates LuckayLuck (10:22:08 PM): is lastchanceXV (10:22:19 PM): it's 2^15 lastchanceXV (10:22:23 PM): well, not really LuckayLuck (10:22:24 PM): right LuckayLuck (10:22:27 PM): well LuckayLuck (10:22:29 PM): let's just say 2^15 LuckayLuck (10:22:31 PM): that's like LuckayLuck (10:22:31 PM): uhh LuckayLuck (10:22:35 PM): zomg calc lastchanceXV (10:22:40 PM): it's more like lastchanceXV (10:22:43 PM): 2^10 LuckayLuck (10:22:49 PM): 32,768 LuckayLuck (10:22:50 PM): clones lastchanceXV (10:22:53 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:22:54 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:22:55 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:22:55 PM): sooo LuckayLuck (10:22:59 PM): we get 5 actions lastchanceXV (10:23:06 PM): 6 actions a turn LuckayLuck (10:23:06 PM): for a total of LuckayLuck (10:23:11 PM): approxiamtely 100,000 actions lastchanceXV (10:23:12 PM): 100k lastchanceXV (10:23:16 PM): hahahaaha lastchanceXV (10:23:17 PM): omfg lastchanceXV (10:23:17 PM): omfg lastchanceXV (10:23:18 PM): omfg LuckayLuck (10:23:44 PM): I'll like LuckayLuck (10:23:46 PM): buy a single shot pistol LuckayLuck (10:23:48 PM): and maybe it duplicates LuckayLuck (10:23:51 PM): lololol lastchanceXV (10:23:56 PM): singleshot pistol? LuckayLuck (10:24:10 PM): yeah buy a gun LuckayLuck (10:24:13 PM): with one bullet LuckayLuck (10:24:15 PM): that'll be like LuckayLuck (10:24:17 PM): 2 points LuckayLuck (10:24:18 PM): since it's so bad LuckayLuck (10:24:21 PM): but the point is to give me range LuckayLuck (10:24:25 PM): for my 100k guys lastchanceXV (10:24:25 PM): right LuckayLuck (10:24:34 PM): so they each shoot a bullet LuckayLuck (10:24:35 PM): at a guy LuckayLuck (10:24:39 PM): pew pew lastchanceXV (10:24:47 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:24:51 PM): and complete destruction lastchanceXV (10:25:00 PM): because you have 100k actions a turn lastchanceXV (10:25:03 PM): and like 20k actions lastchanceXV (10:25:08 PM): in the first battle alone? LuckayLuck (10:25:17 PM): actually since you can create pre-battle LuckayLuck (10:25:19 PM): I'll have 100k LuckayLuck (10:25:20 PM): in the first lastchanceXV (10:25:26 PM): but obv lastchanceXV (10:25:29 PM): you don't need to send lastchanceXV (10:25:32 PM): 100k people lastchanceXV (10:25:36 PM): the first turn of the game LuckayLuck (10:25:39 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:25:41 PM): to one mission lastchanceXV (10:25:46 PM): you spread out like 20k lastchanceXV (10:25:50 PM): worth of actions lastchanceXV (10:25:53 PM): to alll the missions LuckayLuck (10:26:00 PM): actually LuckayLuck (10:26:04 PM): here's a game-breaking idea LuckayLuck (10:26:06 PM): I send 20k LuckayLuck (10:26:07 PM): to all missions LuckayLuck (10:26:09 PM): and kill all my allies lastchanceXV (10:26:12 PM): omfg lastchanceXV (10:26:13 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:26:14 PM): so if I'm good LuckayLuck (10:26:15 PM): or evil LuckayLuck (10:26:17 PM): I win lastchanceXV (10:26:19 PM): auto-win lastchanceXV (10:26:20 PM): omfg LuckayLuck (10:26:21 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:26:21 PM): wow lastchanceXV (10:26:26 PM): hahahahahaha LuckayLuck (10:27:05 PM): anyways LuckayLuck (10:27:08 PM): he's not gonna allow it but LuckayLuck (10:27:10 PM): I'll send it for kicks LuckayLuck (10:27:26 PM): we need a plan B lol lastchanceXV (10:28:21 PM): wait lastchanceXV (10:28:24 PM): actually no lastchanceXV (10:28:27 PM): it's not that broken lastchanceXV (10:28:29 PM): you're not getting lastchanceXV (10:28:33 PM): 32768 actions a turn lastchanceXV (10:28:40 PM): you're only getting like 6000 lastchanceXV (10:28:43 PM): you know lastchanceXV (10:28:45 PM): only 6000 LuckayLuck (10:28:46 PM): ? LuckayLuck (10:28:49 PM): why lastchanceXV (10:28:54 PM): because you did the math wrong lastchanceXV (10:29:01 PM): it's not 2^20 lastchanceXV (10:29:07 PM): unless you spend like 50 pionts lastchanceXV (10:29:11 PM): on duplication LuckayLuck (10:29:15 PM): right LuckayLuck (10:29:17 PM): I'll spend that much LuckayLuck (10:29:19 PM): and 50 points LuckayLuck (10:29:22 PM): is going to be divided by 2.25 lastchanceXV (10:29:23 PM): becomes LuckayLuck (10:29:24 PM): because of limitations lastchanceXV (10:29:25 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:29:26 PM): wow lastchanceXV (10:29:34 PM): throw the rest into body LuckayLuck (10:29:36 PM): yeah LuckayLuck (10:29:37 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:29:43 PM): buy invis lastchanceXV (10:29:43 PM): don't even need lastchanceXV (10:29:46 PM): invis? LuckayLuck (10:29:47 PM): and a two-bullet gun juts in case lastchanceXV (10:29:47 PM): w/e :P lastchanceXV (10:29:52 PM): you don't need invis LuckayLuck (10:30:03 PM): anyways lastchanceXV (10:30:04 PM): b/c of high dexterity LuckayLuck (10:30:07 PM): I'm just gonna lastchanceXV (10:30:08 PM): and more importantly LuckayLuck (10:30:09 PM): give kima a laugh lastchanceXV (10:30:11 PM): because the only thing lastchanceXV (10:30:12 PM): that ownz u LuckayLuck (10:30:13 PM): this discussion LuckayLuck (10:30:15 PM): is all worthless lastchanceXV (10:30:17 PM): is AoE effects LuckayLuck (10:30:19 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:30:23 PM): so LuckayLuck (10:30:23 PM): so I'll make sure lastchanceXV (10:30:24 PM): no need for lastchanceXV (10:30:26 PM): invis LuckayLuck (10:30:26 PM): to spread my 30,000 guys LuckayLuck (10:30:28 PM): apart lol LuckayLuck (10:30:33 PM): the only thing that can stop me lastchanceXV (10:30:34 PM): because it doesn't protect against AoE effects LuckayLuck (10:30:34 PM): is a nuke LuckayLuck (10:30:35 PM): except LuckayLuck (10:30:38 PM): I'll be all over the world LuckayLuck (10:30:39 PM): and my main guy LuckayLuck (10:30:42 PM): will be hiding in a bunker somewhere lastchanceXV (10:30:42 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:30:44 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:30:46 PM): with 10,000 guards lastchanceXV (10:30:46 PM): exactly lastchanceXV (10:31:27 PM): wow... lastchanceXV (10:31:40 PM): what are the best limitations? LuckayLuck (10:31:53 PM): incantations + gestures LuckayLuck (10:31:53 PM): are graet LuckayLuck (10:32:01 PM): since the only thing that can stop you LuckayLuck (10:32:04 PM): is if your arms are binded LuckayLuck (10:32:07 PM): or you're silenced LuckayLuck (10:32:10 PM): that automatically makes everything LuckayLuck (10:32:14 PM): get divided by 1.5 in points LuckayLuck (10:32:15 PM): which is huge LuckayLuck (10:32:22 PM): and I can take the extra concentration and stuff LuckayLuck (10:32:27 PM): since I do the duplication out of combat lastchanceXV (10:33:13 PM): AoE lastchanceXV (10:33:18 PM): complete binding? LuckayLuck (10:33:21 PM): zzz LuckayLuck (10:33:22 PM): who's gonna do that LuckayLuck (10:33:23 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:33:28 PM): I dunno lastchanceXV (10:33:31 PM): that's probably true lastchanceXV (10:33:33 PM): specialized enemy lastchanceXV (10:33:35 PM): or something lastchanceXV (10:33:41 PM): mind control all of your clones? LuckayLuck (10:34:12 PM): rofl LuckayLuck (10:34:14 PM): then we'll have LuckayLuck (10:34:15 PM): clone wars lastchanceXV (10:34:18 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:34:19 PM): :P lastchanceXV (10:34:22 PM): dependence lastchanceXV (10:34:25 PM): is like 7 free points lastchanceXV (10:34:29 PM): if you count it towards str LuckayLuck (10:35:31 PM): rofl LuckayLuck (10:35:35 PM): • Extra Action – Most powers require only 1 action to use; this limitation defines a power that requires more time to use, such as a spell that takes a long time to cast. Limitation: ½ for each additional action the power requires. LuckayLuck (10:35:38 PM): so LuckayLuck (10:35:39 PM): if I make it take LuckayLuck (10:35:42 PM): 10 actions LuckayLuck (10:35:46 PM): that's LuckayLuck (10:35:47 PM): +5 LuckayLuck (10:35:55 PM): and since I'm doing it out of combat lastchanceXV (10:36:01 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:36:09 PM): I know lastchanceXV (10:36:17 PM): kima's obviously not allowing that lastchanceXV (10:36:19 PM): but yeah LuckayLuck (10:36:22 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:36:26 PM): I'll just ask him lastchanceXV (10:36:27 PM): basically you can make lastchanceXV (10:36:29 PM): a 1 cost lastchanceXV (10:36:31 PM): duplication spell LuckayLuck (10:36:35 PM): well LuckayLuck (10:36:36 PM): rounded to 0 lastchanceXV (10:36:40 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:36:40 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:36:46 PM): wow lastchanceXV (10:36:51 PM): Hmm... lastchanceXV (10:36:58 PM): INFINITE COMBO LuckayLuck (10:37:47 PM): 2^20 LuckayLuck (10:37:51 PM): is apparently about a million LuckayLuck (10:37:55 PM): so I'll just tell kima LuckayLuck (10:37:58 PM): that I'm doing a million duplicates LuckayLuck (10:38:00 PM): for simplicity LuckayLuck (10:38:00 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:38:03 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:38:05 PM): go for a billion lastchanceXV (10:38:34 PM): wow lastchanceXV (10:38:58 PM): Should I post what you came up with? LuckayLuck (10:39:04 PM): I'm sending it to kima lastchanceXV (10:39:10 PM): ok lastchanceXV (10:39:13 PM): pretty simple lastchanceXV (10:39:26 PM): duplication 2^20 lastchanceXV (10:39:37 PM): Plus it takes 10 extra actions to do the power lastchanceXV (10:39:44 PM): = 1,000,000 duplicates lastchanceXV (10:39:47 PM): for like 0 points lastchanceXV (10:39:51 PM): not broken at all LuckayLuck (10:40:21 PM): ok, so after a lot of brainstorming, my min-maxing spirit has created: "The Red Army" - the superhero Concept: Take 20 points in Duplicate (10+2*19 = 48 points) Take 0 endurance (48*1.5 = 72 points) Take the following limitations: Concentration (+1/2) Extra Action of, let's sayyyy... +10 turns (+5) Gestures (+1/4) Incantations (+1/4) for a total reduction of: 6 so 72/6 = 12 I'll also buy like a bow or something, for ranged so on my first day, pre-combat, I will make: 2^20 Duplicates, which is approximately 1 million duplications with a speed of about 5, and taking invisibility, I'm going to have my duplicates doing 5 million actions (surprising the enemies since they start off invisible). They'll shoot their bow 5 times, for about 5 million arrows to the enemies I'll use my other 30 points for misc. stuff like body to make sure none of the clones die Thoughts? lastchanceXV (10:40:48 PM): oh, I got it lastchanceXV (10:40:53 PM): I reread duplication LuckayLuck (10:40:56 PM): uh oh lastchanceXV (10:40:59 PM): END Cost: 1 per duplicate created lastchanceXV (10:41:01 PM): NO!!! LuckayLuck (10:41:05 PM): but LuckayLuck (10:41:07 PM): ZERO ENDURANCE LuckayLuck (10:41:08 PM): lastchance LuckayLuck (10:41:09 PM): see? lastchanceXV (10:41:10 PM): oh yeah lastchanceXV (10:41:12 PM): I see lastchanceXV (10:41:13 PM): omfg lastchanceXV (10:41:15 PM): omfg lastchanceXV (10:42:10 PM): dude lastchanceXV (10:42:13 PM): 20 points in duplication lastchanceXV (10:42:18 PM): is only like 2^5 LuckayLuck (10:42:24 PM): wtf LuckayLuck (10:42:26 PM): no LuckayLuck (10:42:27 PM): I mean LuckayLuck (10:42:28 PM): 20 as in LuckayLuck (10:42:30 PM): 10+20 lastchanceXV (10:42:34 PM): oh wait lastchanceXV (10:42:36 PM): Yeah, I get it lastchanceXV (10:42:52 PM): wow lastchanceXV (10:43:00 PM): how do they not see this? lastchanceXV (10:45:40 PM): wait lastchanceXV (10:45:45 PM): I wonder lastchanceXV (10:45:48 PM): the rules don't bar lastchanceXV (10:45:54 PM): you from taking extra action + zero action LuckayLuck (10:46:07 PM): extra action LuckayLuck (10:46:09 PM): supercedes zero action lastchanceXV (10:46:13 PM): ahh... LuckayLuck (10:46:18 PM): I actually think LuckayLuck (10:46:21 PM): that besides the duplicate LuckayLuck (10:46:25 PM): I can't find anything imbalanced LuckayLuck (10:46:37 PM): other than taking extra turn limitations LuckayLuck (10:46:39 PM): for things you do out of combat LuckayLuck (10:47:53 PM): anyways LuckayLuck (10:48:05 PM): even if kima nerfs duplicate LuckayLuck (10:48:10 PM): I'll probably still take duplicate lastchanceXV (10:48:10 PM): yeah lastchanceXV (10:48:13 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:48:17 PM): because I just like lastchanceXV (10:48:17 PM): even if it's like LuckayLuck (10:48:19 PM): multiple chars lastchanceXV (10:48:22 PM): :-) LuckayLuck (10:48:24 PM): like LuckayLuck (10:48:28 PM): a duplicate LuckayLuck (10:48:31 PM): is multiplying your power by 2 LuckayLuck (10:48:36 PM): so it should cost an absurd amount LuckayLuck (10:48:38 PM): like 50 points LuckayLuck (10:48:38 PM): alone lastchanceXV (10:48:41 PM): lol LuckayLuck (10:48:42 PM): well LuckayLuck (10:48:42 PM): 30 LuckayLuck (10:48:44 PM): well 20 lastchanceXV (10:48:47 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:48:50 PM): remember lastchanceXV (10:48:53 PM): if your duplicate dies lastchanceXV (10:48:56 PM): regen LuckayLuck (10:48:58 PM): right but LuckayLuck (10:49:00 PM): the duplicate LuckayLuck (10:49:02 PM): is as strong as your normal character lastchanceXV (10:49:06 PM): I know LuckayLuck (10:49:08 PM): oh LuckayLuck (10:49:09 PM): that's a major flaw also LuckayLuck (10:49:12 PM): duplicates lastchanceXV (10:49:14 PM): I'm just saying it's like less than 2 LuckayLuck (10:49:15 PM): should take like 200% damage LuckayLuck (10:49:18 PM): and do 50% less damage LuckayLuck (10:49:19 PM): or sometihng lastchanceXV (10:49:20 PM): lol lastchanceXV (10:49:24 PM): yeah, I think lastchanceXV (10:49:34 PM): having 100+ duplicates lastchanceXV (10:49:37 PM): is kind of broken lastchanceXV (10:49:43 PM): exponential growth lastchanceXV (10:49:49 PM): is obviously exploitative LuckayLuck (10:50:11 PM): yeah
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Re: Help me create the Ultimate Superhero!
 Exponential growth is hawt.
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07-06-2007, 09:01 AM
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Re: Help me create the Ultimate Superhero!
luckay, why?
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