100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river

Lego05 · #1 11-08-2007, 05:27 PM

Villian is 35.7/9.7/1.45 postflop agg. over 227 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($102.25)
Hero ($100)
SB ($46.05)
BB ($117.80)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $21, Hero ???

orange · #2 11-08-2007, 05:34 PM

call at the very min, i also wouldnt mind raising sometimes.

early325 · #3 11-08-2007, 05:38 PM

meh, this is pretty close, flip a coin i guess..

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i also wouldnt mind raising sometimes.

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why would you ever raise here?

sightless · #4 11-08-2007, 05:39 PM

why raise?

Lego05 · #5 11-08-2007, 05:39 PM

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call at the very min, i also wouldnt mind raising sometimes.

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You think a straight, a set, or the 8c could call a raise here? And would have bet pot in the first place?

I don't really get raising here.

orange · #6 11-08-2007, 05:40 PM

value vs. a retard? its not like i'm expecting him to fold...

sightless · #7 11-08-2007, 05:42 PM

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value vs. a retard? its not like i'm expecting him to fold...

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well he is 35/9 not 70/5. I dotn see much value in the river raise.

early325 · #8 11-08-2007, 05:42 PM

even against a retard, raising in this spot is a bluff

carnivalhobo · #9 11-08-2007, 05:45 PM

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even against a retard, raising in this spot is a bluff

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a bluff means they fold better, they never do, so its not a bluff

early325 · #10 11-08-2007, 05:48 PM

no, a successful bluff means they fold better. i'm pretty sure he calls with worse very very close to 0% of the time unless he's on massive tilt. if they never call with worse, and you raise, what do you want them to do? fold, i imagine..so if you're raising to get someone to fold, i'd call that a bluff.