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Old 09-04-2007, 02:05 AM
Kos13 Kos13 is offline
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Default 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

BB is a 61/14 drooler, and UTG+1 is a 29/8 donk, so I'm never even considering a fold no matter what happens. Should I just go ahead and 3bet, or should I disguise my hand by overcalling? Keep in mind stack sizes (BB is the full stack and the bigger donk of the two).

UB NLHE - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players

SB: $147.20
BB: $129.15
UTG: $85.50
UTG+1: $45.00
Hero (MP1): $100.00
MP2: $149.15
MP3: $45.75
CO: $115.40
BTN: $152.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, 5 folds, BB calls $3.00, UTG+1 calls $3.00

Flop: ($12.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $9.00</font>, HERO
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

meh, anything you do looks pretty damn strong here. I probably just call and hope BB comes over the top.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:23 AM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

I don't really see how calling a r/rr flop is going to disguise your hand. Are you ever calling here w/ AK? I guess the trick is getting BB to come along, but I probably raise here anyway. He may call behind you here, but I don't think he's continuing on the turn without improving his hand.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

Either option is screaming STRONG, but if they're both donks then they probably won't pick up on it if you just call, whereas a raise might get one of them to fold.

I'd just call if you're okay with keeping them both in the hand (and I don't see why you wouldn't be...only real scare card is an A).
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

Re-pop it. UTG+1 likes his hand, which is probably a big T, and will come along for the ride. Make it $21. FWIW, $5.50 preflop at these limits seems better.
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:31 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

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Either option is screaming STRONG, but if they're both donks then they probably won't pick up on it if you just call, whereas a raise might get one of them to fold.

I'd just call if you're okay with keeping them both in the hand (and I don't see why you wouldn't be...only real scare card is an A).

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OK, I've given this some more thought and decided my earlier response was no bueno.

An A is the only scare card for you, but anything bigger than the T could get one of them to shut down. I'd repop it here and hope they come along.
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

Thats a nice spot. I'd definetly say call here. There is no immediate flush draw, you've got great protection with the 3,3. Without knowing the hands you can assume that you have to dodge 3 aces and perhaps someone is calling with a smaller pair so they have 2 outs, for 5 outs collectively and on top of all this you've got position on everyone. This is one of the safer and rare spots were i would consider slow playing my over pair.

So things I would be thinking about though are, could the BB have called with a 3? And if he did would he lead bet it? Also, why did UTG just min raise him there? Definetly smells like a weak isolation bet to me here, probably 10,x big.

So call here, reraise or bet big on the turn to get as much money in.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

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An A is the only scare card for you, but anything bigger than the T could get one of them to shut down. I'd repop it here and hope they come along.

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I'm pretty sure we don't want to see a T on the turn
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: 3Bet or Disguise?

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An A is the only scare card for you, but anything bigger than the T could get one of them to shut down. I'd repop it here and hope they come along.

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I'm pretty sure we don't want to see a T on the turn

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Yeah, a ten is way worse than an ace.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:42 PM
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An A is the only scare card for you, but anything bigger than the T could get one of them to shut down. I'd repop it here and hope they come along.

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I'm pretty sure we don't want to see a T on the turn

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Yeah, a ten is way worse than an ace.

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OK, the ace is an obvious scare card. The ten is SO obvious that I didn't bother mentioning it! [censored]!
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