Must a SB sized allin postflop bet be completed to the size of the BB?

[budblown]

WTF is the person not pushing the last 5 preflop for?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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WTF is the person not pushing the last 5 preflop for?

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I think the action in my OP was on the turn. On the previous round (the flop betting) the player had called a late position bet just under his stack. It's possible he had some sort of draw and didn't want to alert the less attentive that he was effectively all-in.

Or he intended to rat-hole his bus money if he lost [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

~ Rick

[El Diablo]

Rick,

Of course he can just call the $5.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Maybe some rooms are different, but where I've played, you're able to either call the short bet or complete to the full bet. I'm sure some places have it where you can either call the short bet or raise one full bet on top of it. I'd be checking the rules of the room before making a decision on it, but at first glance being forced to complete the bet is just silly.

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Keep in mind this is no limit. In limit with a $5 allin lead bet on a $10 betting round it would clearly act as a full bet in most rooms (since it is half or more) and could be called or raised to $15. On a $20 betting round the $5 allin bet would be "action only" and clearly could be called.

Assuming we are speaking no limit I agree with you yet three players insisted the next player had to make a "full" $10 call (or make a decent size "lead bet"). At he time I simply said "Uh, what?" but didn't make it an issue since I wasn't involved.

Anyway upon further refliction this simply doesn't make sense. To illustrate let's say the pot is three-way and the $5 lead bet came immediately after the first player had checked. If the third player must at least complete to $10 then the first player who checked can now checkraise this very small "bet completion" which in isolation would never had been made. Obviously this puts the third player in an unfair spot.

Like I said I didn't bring this up at the table (or belabor any point at all) but after the hand it got me thinking they just had to be wrong. But I trust you guys over the opinion of most floor.

~ Rick

[soah]

of course you can call it

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Rick,

Of course he can just call the $5.

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Well if the great El D says so then it's official that I was right (but meek about speaking up).

~ Rick

[Reckless1der]

Here is the applicable clause in Robert's:

NO-LIMIT RULES
1. The number of raises in any betting round is unlimited.

2. The minimum bet size is the amount of the minimum bring-in, unless the player is going all-in. The minimum bring-in is the size of the big blind unless the structure of the game is preset by the house to some other amount (such as double the big blind). The minimum bet remains the same amount on all betting rounds. If the big blind does not have sufficient chips to post the required amount, a player who enters the pot on the initial betting round is still required to enter for at least the minimum bet (unless going all-in for a lesser sum) and a preflop raiser must at least double the size of the big blind. At all other times, when someone goes all-in for less than the minimum bet, a player has the option of just calling the all-in amount. If a player goes all-in for an amount that is less than the minimum bet, a player who wishes to raise must raise at least the amount of the minimum bet. For example, if the minimum bet is $100, and a player goes all-in on the flop for $20, a player may fold, call $20, or raise to at least a total of $120.

Objector in OP was incorrect.

[El Diablo]

Rick,

I think you could have said either of these things to the guy who spoke up:

a: "$10 is the minimum amount to BET, but if he wants to CALL, then he can call whatever the amount to call is."

b: "ARE YOU F'ING RETARDED, OF COURSE HE CAN JUST CALL THE $5 BET!"

[RR]

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Quick one and maybe not even mildly interesting compared to Randy's and some other posts. I wasn't in the hand (I folded BTF) but would have ruled it differently than a few other players who were adamant they were right.

Game is NL with 5-10 blinds. Post flop a player lead bets all-in for $5. Next player (with lots of chips) calls the $5.

A player speaks up and says "Hey, you need to make it $10. Ten dollars is the size of the big blind and the minimum bet when you have chips."

Was the player who spoke up correct?

~ Rick

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No.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Rick,

I think you could have said either of these things to the guy who spoke up:

a: "$10 is the minimum amount to BET, but if he wants to CALL, then he can call whatever the amount to call is."

b: "ARE YOU F'ING RETARDED, OF COURSE HE CAN JUST CALL THE $5 BET!"

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In the OP I said only one spoke up so the force of the majority wouldn't sway opinion here but as I mentioned later three players actually spoke up with the F'ING RETARDED opinion. And when I'm a little tired and I'm not even in the pot I just don't have the energy to take on all three at once.

~ Rick