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Old 06-25-2007, 12:27 PM
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Default Are there enough NYC poker players who care to...

... try and start a political movement to repeal the provision in the NYS constitution that prohibits casino gambling, and get at least poker, and possibly the rest of casino gambling legalized in NYS?

This would mean, going on the record as supporting gambling, contacting politicians, the media, etc to push the position, organizing and attending events, etc.

It would help to contact and try to involved some of the gaming companies, especially those with little or no presence in Atlantic City. It's no secret that Trump has derailled previous attempts at this to protect his AC empire. But there are some very powerful companies that could benefit from this, who could pust serious muscle and money behind it. Steve Wynn built a huge and very effective lobbying operation at Mirage, and I assume he has one at this new company. MGM still probably maintains his old one. Sands/Venetian would probably be in a position to help. Combined with a real grass roots organization, this could be very powerful. I also think some of the unions might want to get involved UNITE/HERE (the hotel worker union) would probably love to see big hote/casinos built in NYS, especially by the big casino companies they already have good relationships with.

Personally, I find it patent ridiculous that New York bans gambling. I'm sick of having to play in third rate boiler rooms, having to worry about being robbed or busted. But doing something about it will mean a lot of people will have to get off their ass and do something. Is anyone willing?

There's a poll attached to this. If you live in NY State, and would consider getting involved answer yes. If not...
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Old 06-25-2007, 12:29 PM
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Is there not an easier way to just legalize cardrooms like CA?
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Old 06-25-2007, 12:35 PM
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... try and start a political movement to repeal the provision in the NYS constitution that prohibits casino gambling, and get at least poker, and possibly the rest of casino gambling legalized in NYS?

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LOL. Get off your soap box and come back when you have a law degree and 10 years of your time to invest. If you stopped to do your research you would learn its been tried before and failed, that Pataki tried to open 5 casinos upstate NY and that failed too (its not dead yet, but the Feds stopped the plan). A grass roots movement coordinated by a bunch of poker-player degenerates without clout, money, or legal experiance won't do anything.
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Old 06-25-2007, 12:58 PM
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I wish somebody could explain to me why we can't have casinos, or at least poker rooms, in New York. There are OTBs everywhere, including some that are in bars and restaurants. There are race tracks near the city. Yonkers raceway has a BS casino, which is just slots and maybe bad video poker.

Anyway, I would help if there was a campaign of some sort to get poker in New York City or within an hours drive.
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Old 06-25-2007, 01:07 PM
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What I'm talking about is political, not legal. I'm not talking about sliding an indian casino in sideways under the constitutional ban, I'm talking about getting rid of the ban.

Thinks have changed since Pataki's attempts. The poker boom is one of them. The increase in other forms of gaming in and around NYC is another. We now have slots (oh, excuse me, video lottery terminals), in Yonkers.

I have to think that there are State Legislators who are looking lasciviously at the tax revenues that AC generates. I got to think there would be traction in the thousands of jobs (middle class, semi-skilled, union jobs with benefits, for those who can't cut it at the Wall Street level), that this would create.

There are people with the clout, money, and experience you talk about out there. They would stand to profit mightily if this worked.

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LOL. Get off your soap box and come back when you have a law degree and 10 years of your time to invest. If you stopped to do your research you would learn its been tried before and failed, that Pataki tried to open 5 casinos upstate NY and that failed too (its not dead yet, but the Feds stopped the plan). A grass roots movement coordinated by a bunch of poker-player degenerates without clout, money, or legal experiance won't do anything.

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Old 06-25-2007, 01:09 PM
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The New York State Constitution directly and explicitly bans casino gambling. The clause directly lists card games as among those prohibited.
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Old 06-25-2007, 01:48 PM
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Is there not an easier way to just legalize cardrooms like CA?

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No. Unfortunately.
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:06 PM
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If political means are unachievable, what about military means. When politics fails, doesn't military action usually follow?
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:37 PM
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Probably not in this case.

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Old 06-25-2007, 02:59 PM
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Congress forbid Pataki's attempt to open casinos in NY State. Thats about as political as it gets my friend, when the feds say no way to the Govenor's plan then you know you are screwed. In the past tribes could enter into a state compact and open a casino on sovereign land, but the loophole was that sometimes the tribe would buy land that was not originally sovereign as pert of the compact agreement. Now tribes can only enter in a compact with the state if they intend to operate a casino on their native grounds - provided they already own the land. Unfortunately this completely screwed with Pataki's casino-zoning legislation, and the entire plans that he had in place for the past decade fell down like tumbling blocks last year. I was told the congressional ban was in direct response to Patacki's intentions, but it was probably also part of the anti-Jack Abramoff movement after his arrest.
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