EP limp re-reraise against super donk - How often is this AA?

Rick Nebiolo · #1 02-08-2007, 05:17 PM

This hand comes from a $5 big blind B&M game with capped buy-in somewhere in Los Angeles. I’ve been in the game for 30 minutes playing moderately aggressively and getting in some play so my image is looser than normal.

What appears to be a solid, thinking player limps for $5 UTG. We have another limper and a super-donk makes it $15 in the CO+1. Super-donk had been raising almost every hand BTF and playing horribly recklessly aggressive post flop. That said he hit about three miracles in the last few hands and was about $900 deep.

A loose passive player in the CO had taken one of the recent beats from the super-donk and had been openly talking about going home (it’s about 2:00am) and goes all-in for $87. Button folds and I look down at black kings in the SB. I’m only about $340 deep (small winner so far) and for reasons I don’t want to debate here I smooth call hoping to get action from the other players (most likely the super-donk).

The BB folds and now the UTG limper goes all in for about $400. Next limper folds. The super-donk thinks about calling but finally folds. Action is on me and I'm looking at a three-way main pot of about $280 (after drop) and the all-in side pot would be $500 (including my remaining $250 if I call).

A few questions:

About how often do you think UTG (or more importantly the combination of UTG and the CO) would have aces here? Assume UTG understands I’m probably very strong smooth calling the original $87 all-in bet from the CO player.

Would you strongly consider folding kings BTF with this action? Could/should you do it?

~ Rick

Hoopster81 · #2 02-08-2007, 05:19 PM

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I smooth call hoping to get action from the other players

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and when you get it you want to fold?

instacall

jodine · #3 02-08-2007, 05:24 PM

most likely JJ on down, trying to isolate the SS. I'm worried about the solid thinking player part, but you've only been there for 30 minutes.

jodine · #4 02-08-2007, 05:26 PM

sorry - forgot to add 100% instacall, you got the action you wanted by cold calling

smartalecc5 · #5 02-08-2007, 05:29 PM

Call

Rick Nebiolo · #6 02-08-2007, 06:08 PM

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I smooth call hoping to get action from the other players

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and when you get it you want to fold?

instacall

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Well, I mostly wanted action from the super-donk who would call $62 more with any ace, any pair, and any paints and probably semi-suited connectors or better. Forget that, he'd probably reraise with any pair. But if I reraise all-in he probably folds everything but pairs and for him very good aces (e.g., AK, AQ, AJ).

Keep in mind if UTG has aces I'm about a 4.5 to 1 dog against him for the side pot alone. I don't think it's an instacall.

~ Rick

Rick Nebiolo · #7 02-08-2007, 06:13 PM

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most likely JJ on down, trying to isolate the SS. I'm worried about the solid thinking player part, but you've only been there for 30 minutes.

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I would think JJ would be afraid of AK or a bigger pair from me (although I'd push all these hands out of position in this spot with these stack sizes against most people).

~ Rick

creedofhubris · #8 02-09-2007, 12:10 AM

A lot of dead money in this pot.

Offhand, I think he has to have aces >50% of the time here to make folding correct. I don't think he does.

Rick Nebiolo · #9 02-09-2007, 04:01 AM

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A lot of dead money in this pot.

Offhand, I think he has to have aces >50% of the time here to make folding correct. I don't think he does.

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Based on the betting action IMO it was close to about 60% that UTG had aces and I was considering folding. But then some funky stuff happened at the table before my action that made it far less likely I was up against aces (at least for the side pot).

Anyway, I originally intended to write about what happened in the B&M forum but decided to post in a strategy forum to see if based on the player profiles and betting action alone others thought I would have at least a tough decision. I guess you guys didn't think so but it was tough for me. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

When/if I write the B&M post I'll post a link from here to there.

~ Rick

rvg72 · #10 02-09-2007, 12:08 PM

I made this post a while back - I wrote some software to quantify what he Limp Reraise actually means and of course it is very player / read / situation dependant but in general it is an extremely wide range of hands with lots of garbage mixed in with the premium hands.

Link:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=7722314

rvg