Leading With Top Set Into Small Pot & Coordinated Board 60 BBs Deep

[Rick Nebiolo]

This hand comes from a 5/10 fixed buy ($400 or $500) NL game somewhere in LA. The game is good by traditional (pre boom) standards but tighter than most recent games given it just lost its loosest chip-spewing player. Naturally I’m on the change list. I’m $630 deep after re-buying once and have a very tight image, having only won one mid-sized pot in over two hours, seeing few flops, and generally releasing when the flop comes and I continually miss (I typically had four to six opponents on the flop so big bluffs didn’t seem wise).

The game is only moderately aggressive, with about 60% of flops being seen with no raise and the raise/reraise combo usually meaning a very big hand. Three half decent (for this game) players limp, one early, one middle, and one in late position. I complete with 88 in the SB. The BB checks his option. The pot is $45 after collection and jackpot drop.

The flop comes 8-7-5 rainbow. My four opponents have my remaining $620 covered.

Assuming my plan is to bet, how much should I bet (and why if you have time)?

Among the following lead bet sizes, rate them as very good, ok, bad, or terrible and once again explain why if you have time:

$40?

$70?

$100?

$150?

More?

Would anyone often try for a check raise here?

I think I made one of the worst choices so all help is appreciated.

~ Rick

PS Sorry I don’t post much anymore (a few years back I posted about every day on middle limit holdem). The forum is so huge I usually only have time to post mostly in the B&M forum and otherwise skim a few other forums. If this works out I’ll try to get back into posting on play here, possibly under a new posting name.

[Praetor]

wtf at leading $100 or $150?

[Requin]

If you think there's a good chance at a big overbet getting called, then by all means do it. Normally I'd just lead out 40 or so, especially because this game sounds pretty passive I prefer it to a CR.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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wtf at leading $100 or $150?

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In this game any six in position is usually going to call $100 (and maybe $150) and a six/pair type hand will always call. I don't think a $100 call would be a mistake against my range (given I might bet my own draws and hands like two pair or top pair/draw).

~ Rick

[Praetor]

Will any six bet too?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Will any six bet too?

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Good question. I think they often would in the last two positions, maybe not early. Of course two pair and pair/backdoor draw might bet too. The LP player wasn't too aggressive so you couldn't count on him to bet on his whiffs.

~ Rick

[destroBU]

wait a minute

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but tighter than most recent games

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In this game any six in position is usually going to call $100 (and maybe $150)

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..what

I may have never played in a game where there was 1 (one) player who would call a 2.5-3.5x pot sized bet with a 1 card OESD, let alone a whole table full of them.

wtf

I would bet the pot and take it from there, but then, I'm not used to these bizzaro devil-may-care type of games, so...

[AAismyfriend]

I dont like a c/r given your image. I'd lead for 40 or 50, making a 2x overbet sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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wait a minute

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but tighter than most recent games

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This is LA fixed buy B&M, not online. You will find games where almost half the table with any draw calling big overbets with any draw, even a partially crippled draw.



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In this game any six in position is usually going to call $100 (and maybe $150)

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..what

I may have never played in a game where there was 1 (one) player who would call a 2.5-3.5x pot sized bet with a 1 card OESD, let alone a whole table full of them.

wtf

I would bet the pot and take it from there, but then, I'm not used to these bizzaro devil-may-care type of games, so...

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Generally only about 40% of the player base at this level in the fixed buy games makes this sort of laydown.

~ Rick

[JKratzer]

play this like the nuts, bet as much as you think you can get action on. if that means $150 then do it. my standard would be to pot it, but i don't have much live experience.