Some guy posts 1st hand in, mutters to himself a bunch and 4bets me

[sternroolz]

Why don't people want to bet the flop?

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Why don't people want to bet the flop?

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When he holds a monster which he tried to disguise pre-flop you lose the minimum. When he holds nothing its hard to induce bets if you look strong. Smother your opponent with passivity=win the most while risking the least those few times when his talk is a real hand looking to trap.

[Munchkin Mayor]

Is four bet the cap? If not, seems like you missed value on every street except the river.

[CardSharpCook]

no cap HU. happens to be a 5bet cap otherwise.

[CardSharpCook]

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Why don't people want to bet the flop?

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When he holds a monster which he tried to disguise pre-flop you lose the minimum. When he holds nothing its hard to induce bets if you look strong. Smother your opponent with passivity=win the most while risking the least those few times when his talk is a real hand looking to trap.

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which was my thinking during the hand.

[CardSharpCook]

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If you think there is a decent chance that he believes your 3-bet is pseudo-random and just trying to push him around on his first hand in, you can bet the flop/turn with impunity. His hand is probably weaker than you think it is and he won't give you credit for TPGK on the flop.

You're missing value by not betting the flop.

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that is the other side of it.

[CardSharpCook]

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I get the 3 black guys confused sometimes, as they all look alike to me.

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There have been posts in this forum in the past about the 2 black guys who play mid stakes at the Bell. Someone theorized that there were actually 4. I was just making a joke on that. My apologies if it doesn't sound right. People who play at the bell should know who I'm talking about. He's 5'9", maybe 45, 215 (meaning some extra weight, but certainly not obese) bald, I think. He typically buys in for the minimum, but rebuys like 10 times during the night. He'll frequently give a lot of action and then fold for one bet on the turn or river making you scratch your head. Plays a lot of hands and plays them aggressively. Or, he's the thrid most commonly seen black guy at the Bell. Everyone knows Black Teddy, then there is that tall, relatively skinny guy who plays pretty passively and is most likely a losing player, and then there is this guy. These are, to my knowledge, the only three regulars that are black who play at the bell. There are more elderly white women than black people who play at these stakes regularly.

[PokerBob]

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30/60 at the Bell

Guy posts in like UTG +2. He is BlackGuy#3 who plays at the Bell. Yeah, you know him. Not Teddy, not that guy who plays tight, the other one. Mentally I recognize him as a stupid-agro, but this could be wrong - I get the 3 black guys confused sometimes, as they all look alike to me.

So 2 folds and he raises his post. Naturally I 3bet K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in CO. All fold, guy 4bets. Oh, his monologue:

All monologue is muttered - I may have misheard him, but you get the idea.
(raises)"yeah you all knew I was going to do that!"
(I 3bet)"Did I look? I bet I didn't look. Did he look?"
(he 4bets)"yeehaaahhahha"

Flop:
K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He checks, I check.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
He bets, I call.

River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
He checks, I bet.

Comments welcome on all streets.

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i like.

[Captain R]

Flop check is slightly debatable, but I like the check a little more than a bet for the reasons stated and also for metagame purposes. And finally because there aren't too many turn cards that hurt you.

[reutel]

Why aren't we raising the turn? We also got an open ended straight flush draw with our TPSK.