*** Official NY Mets Our OFFSEASON Has Come Thread ***

[Vyse]

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Milledge is already as good as Ryan Church. That is the problem.

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Wrong. Where are you getting this from?

edit: where i got the contract info is shady, so I'm not sure when Church is a FA. I'll check cot's. well they just have his year-to-year status. f it.

[Triumph36]

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Milledge is already as good as Ryan Church. That is the problem.

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Wrong. Where are you getting this from?

edit: where i got the contract info is shady, so I'm not sure when Church is a FA. I'll check cot's. well they just have his year-to-year status. f it.

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nowhere - unfortunately my BP subscription lapsed, so I can't go look up both's PECOTAs.

I guess given Lastings' 704 OPS against right handed pitching (small sample), he's got some work to do.

Church should outperform him, but not by much - what's the new Nats ballpark like anyway? I know the old one was the biggest pitchers park in the league so that deflates Church's numbers.

[metsandfinsfan]

if we get a big pitcher (johan, haren, bedard) i can live with this trade. Church isnt awful. I just think milledge had more value than this ... apparantly not i guess.

im assuming they will nontender estrada now and save the cash unless he is packaged somewhere

[wh1t3bread]

My lame attempt:

1. This was a trade to appease Cameron. I can't grade this fairly.
2. B
3. A
4. B
5. A
6. A-
7. B
8. D-
9. D
10. F-
11. B+
12. B
13. C ~ I like Church alot but I just have a hard time believing Minaya couldn't do better than Church + Schneider for Milledge.

Disclaimer: I put next to zero thought into this.

[wh1t3bread]

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im assuming they will nontender estrada now and save the cash unless he is packaged somewhere

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Yep. Hopefully Minaya can get something serviceable for Estrada. Might be tough because everyone knows he'll probably be a FA in 2 weeks anyway.

[wisehandpoker]

You have to admire turning Kris Benson into El Duke and Maine

[wh1t3bread]

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You have to admire turning Kris Benson into El Duke and Maine

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I do. The problem is he hasn't done anything notable since then. He lost his mojo.

[Vyse]

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Milledge is already as good as Ryan Church. That is the problem.

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Wrong. Where are you getting this from?

edit: where i got the contract info is shady, so I'm not sure when Church is a FA. I'll check cot's. well they just have his year-to-year status. f it.

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nowhere - unfortunately my BP subscription lapsed, so I can't go look up both's PECOTAs.

I guess given Lastings' 704 OPS against right handed pitching (small sample), he's got some work to do.

Church should outperform him, but not by much - what's the new Nats ballpark like anyway? I know the old one was the biggest pitchers park in the league so that deflates Church's numbers.

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Church was worth more than 7 wins last year. He's rated highly defensive metrics so his Rate stats seem believable. An 800+ OPS in a severe pitcher's park is pretty good. And the Mets get his prime seasons without waiting on any development for Milledge. Milledge would've likely been a well below average regular this season.

[Wynton]

I'll just give thumbs up and thumbs down votes.

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1. 11/18/2005 Acquired INF/OF Xavier Nady from the San Diego Padres in exchange for OF Mike Cameron.

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2. 11/24/2005 Obtained 1B Carlos Delgado and cash from the Marlins for 1B Mike Jacobs, RHP Yusmeiro Petit and INF Grant Psomas.

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3. 12/5/2005 Acquired C Paul Lo Duca from the Marlins for two players to be named (Dante Brinkley & Gaby Hernandez).

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4. 1/4/2006 Acquired RHP Duaner Sanchez and RHP Steve Schmoll from the Dodgers in exchange for RHP Jae Seo and LHP Tim Hamulack.

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Thumbs up

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5. 1/21/2006 Acquired RHP Jorge Julio and RHP John Maine from the Orioles in exchange for RHP Kris Benson.

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Thumbs up

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6. 5/24/2006 Acquired RHP Orlando Hernandez from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for RHP Jorge Julio.

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Thumbs up

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7. 7/31/2006 Acquired RHP Roberto Hernandez and LHP Oliver Perez from the Pittsburgh Pirates in exchange for OF Xavier Nady.

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Thumbs up

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8. 11/15/2006 Acquired OF Ben Johnson and RHP Jon Adkins from the San Diego Padres in exchange for RHP Heath Bell and LHP Royce Ring.

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Thumbs down
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9. 11/20/2006 Acquired LHP Jason Vargas and LHP Adam Bostick from the Florida Marlins in exchange for RHP Henry Owens and RHP Matt Lindstrom.

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Thumbs down

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10. 12/6/2006 Acquired RHP Ambiorix Burgos in exchange for RHP Brian Bannister from the Kansas City Royals.

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Thumbs down

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11. 7/30/2007 Acquired 2B Luis Castillo from the Twins in exchange for nonroster C Drew Butera and nonroster OF Dustin Martin.

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Incomplete info; probably thumbs up

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12. 11/20/2007 Acquired C Johnny Estrada from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota.

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Thumbs up



[/ QUOTE ]13. 11/30/2007 Acquired RF Ryan Church and C Brian Schneider from the Washington Nationals in exchange for Lastings Milledge.

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Beats me

[wh1t3bread]

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so I'm not sure when Church is a FA.

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Metsblog is saying he will be FA after the 2010 season.