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10-26-2007, 01:37 AM
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South Point TR
So I've been out here for about a month now and I am amazed how this casino even survives. The poker tables are way too small and they pack you in there like sardines. The lighting is too bright IMO as well, it feels like there is a spotlight on you. They only had 3 tables running yesterday with two of them being limit and full of rocks. I searched for info on this room with no success, no wonder why [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] So what's the O/U on the closing of this room?
On to the table games... I don't play these often but my Uncle came into town and craves action so we headed to SP one night b/c it's close to my place. We arrive at the blackjack tables and realize they don't even have a BJ detector [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] which makes me think they skeezed on the tables. So my Uncle runs very bad playing $100-$200/hand and the pit boss says he can't even comp the steakhouse in the place(bad move). You would think they would try to make higher limit players happy by comping maybe $100 after a substantial loss in hopes of those players returning. It was now clear why there weren't any bigshots in the place, management has no idea what they're doing so all they can get are a few people playing 5 and $10 BJ. Are these people the stiffs who couldn't hack it on the strip or something? Pit bosses were watching like hawks like they've never seen action like this before and it was a bit of a hassle to cash out roughly $1500 on the way out. The cashier was asking what game he was playing and then made a call to someone and yet another person in the cage had to approve the cash out while the Venetian didn't even flinch for $3000. What a scene for $1500, needless to say they lost a high stakes player(for SP) and a low stakes poker player b/c of several horrendous decisions on the part of their management. I will say that the food was excellent though. So if you visit SP, check out the oyster bar or the buffet but absolutely stay away from anything gambling related in that place. My guess is SP goes bust soon if they don't change things up drastically. Bottom line-SP is a dump for gambling and good for food. 
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#3
10-26-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: South Point TR
Actually, South Point has them on about 10 tables in the pits closest to the sports book now. Was there a few days ago and noticed them, was like...weird, wtf did they add these. Not all the games have them. It actually adds about .3% or something to the house edge on a 2 deck game without having them. It's not cuz they are cheap, it's because they are one of the few places with low limit DD and want to push it as far as they can.
Btw, to the OP, Gaughan's places have never wanted high action, hence the low table max's and the sweating of the money.
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#4
10-28-2007, 03:22 PM
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Re: South Point TR
I don't think your review would be so negative if your uncle hadn't dropped a few grand at blackjack.
I've been to the South Point many times and in my opinion it's just an average casino. Like a typical Coast casino there's nothing real exciting about it, but there's no way it's a dump.
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#5
10-28-2007, 05:43 PM
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Re: South Point TR
Except the refusal to comp the steakhouse, this doesn't have anything to do with his loss.
They have skewed the odds in their favor more than any other casino I've checked out. Their craps tables have 1-1 odds on spots that other casino's have 5-1. Photoc said the non detector tables add .3%adv to the house (not much but still) it shows they are willing to cut the odds of the customers and turn the whole thing into a hassle to make some more $$$ which makes SP a dump for gambling. Who the hell wants to sit there and run through cards when the dealer is sitting on BJ anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the slots are the tightest in town. I'm just letting people know how this place operates so that you don't waste your time messing around here with the plethora of choices available to you in Vegas. They have nothing to offer gambling customers. Photoc, you say this guy doesn't want any high action, how is he gonna pay the bills when all that is left are the $5BJ players and $5 craps players? He might want some action then huh...
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#6
10-28-2007, 06:38 PM
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Re: South Point TR
I've never played table games there so I didn't realize how bad they were. Sounds like you'd be better off playing at a Harrah's property, and that's saying something.
The hotel itself is nice though. I've stayed there a few times and the rooms are very nice for what you pay.
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#7
10-29-2007, 01:30 PM
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Re: South Point TR
I play poker and in the pit at SP often:
The original plan for the poker room was to temporarily keep it where it is currently located. The Coast plan was to put it where the new showroom is. When Michael Gaughn bought the place he decided he wanted it left where it is. There is a huge walled off space behind it (and the race and sports book) that will be opened up when the new tower is completed. My guess is the poker room will stay where it is. You are exaggerating a bit on the lighting. It is not the best but certainly not like a spotlight is on you. As for table size. it only sucks when the tourneys seat 11. The main gripe about the poker room is the climate changes from one end to another. One side is pretty chilly, the other slightly warm. As for how many tables, what time were you there? By 5PM on any given weekeday they have 6-8 tables going with 3 being NL. For NL, they've been spreading more 2/5 but it is still mostly 1/2. It is way better than it was when it opened nearly two years ago. I wish they would spread more games but for a locals joint, it is fine. Without knowing how long your uncle played it is impossible to question the steakhouse comp he requested. I can only speak from my personal experience but I've had no problems with comps when I feel (and obviously the house feels) that my time and wagers warrant it. We've had some great threads on this board about comps and I think you will find that getting a steak comped anywhere takes much time and effort and per hand betting. $100/200 is not that special. Finally, I'd be curious to hear from others but I've never had problems with the cage EXCEPT when they don't have someone at the chips only window and the line is filled with people wanting to cash their payroll checks. Cashing $1500 is nothing to them. I'm not doubting your experience but you seem to be piling on here. Ironically, the one thing you think is excellent, the food, is the only area I criticize them for (well, that and some of the approvals you have to get at the sports book). With the exception of Michael's and the deli, the food pretty much sucks.
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#8
10-29-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: South Point TR
[ QUOTE ]
I've never played table games there so I didn't realize how bad they were. Sounds like you'd be better off playing at a Harrah's property, and that's saying something. The hotel itself is nice though. I've stayed there a few times and the rooms are very nice for what you pay. [/ QUOTE ] South Point is just fine. No real difference from it and any other locals casino. The OP seems to have a major axe to grind and is throwing out speculation on all the games. He is unarmed with facts as can be seen by his using Photoc's .3% in every post. BTW -- Wizard of Odds House Edge for Craps in Las Vegas CASINO ODDS HOUSE EDGE Aladdin 3,4,5x 0.37% Bally's 3,4,5x 0.37% Belagio 3,4,5x 0.37% Bill's Gambling Hall and Saloon 3,4,5x 0.37% Caesars Palace 3,4,5x 0.37% Casino Royale 100x 0.02% Circus Circus 2x 0.57% Excalibur 3,4,5x 0.37% Flamingo Hilton 3,4,5x 0.37% Harrah's 3,4,5x 0.37% Imperial Palace 3,4,5x 0.37% Luxor 3,4,5x 0.37% Mandalay Bay 3,4,5x 0.37% MGM Grand 3,4,5x 0.37% Mirage 3,4,5x 0.37% Monte Carlo 3,4,5x 0.37% New York New York 3,4,5x 0.37% O'Sheas 3,4,5x 0.37% Paris 3,4,5x 0.37% Riviera 2x 0.57% Sahara 5x 0.33% Slots a Fun 2x 0.57% South Point 3,4,5x 0.37% Stardust 3,4,5x 0.37% Stratosphere 10x 0.18% Treausre Island 3,4,5x 0.37% Tropicana 3,4,5x 0.37% Wynn 3,4,5x 0.37%
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#9
10-29-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: South Point TR
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Photoc, you say this guy doesn't want any high action, how is he gonna pay the bills when all that is left are the $5BJ players and $5 craps players? He might want some action then huh... [/ QUOTE ] The same way every casino pays the bills, with slots/video poker. You do realize that at one time recently, that machines made up for roughly 65% of all revenues a casino brought in right? The $5 players provide a nice steady income to the house and pay for most front line employees and leaves some extra $ for the casino. The machines are where the real money is at, and more recently, retail/food/hotel.
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#10
10-29-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: South Point TR
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South Point is just fine. No real difference from it and any other locals casino. The OP seems to have a major axe to grind and is throwing out speculation on all the games. He is unarmed with facts as can be seen by his using Photoc's .3% in every post. [/ QUOTE ] My number was a tad off, I remember it being .3% for some reason. Actually, the no peak with a 10 showing is .1% added to the house edge in a 2 deck game. The current house edge at South Point's bj game is .39038% using the Wizard's house edge calculator (total is .29038 and adding the .1% to the total). Thus increasing the edge from .29 to .39 (33% increase).
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