Misread Omaha hand, was gonna muck, but...

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Last night we switched up to PLO for a while and I got involved in a giant three-way pot. #3 guy was dead, but between the other guy and me, he tabled his hand, and I tabled half of my hand to show the suckout, then put it back in my hand. Cards are getting collected, my hand is face-down (but not in the muck) when someone says "flush". Holy crap, look at my hand, I backdoored into it.

Guy who won the pot was silent. I was like, "uh, er, I dunno what to do." At first I offered to chop, but he was still awkwardly silent. Then I said nevermind, I had conceded the hand, it's all his. This was perhaps the biggest pot of the night, and the guy seemed to feel a bit guilty that he won because I made a stupid mistake, but I assured him that I had no problem with it and that it was my own darn fault and an expensive lesson at that. I was annoyed with myself, but hey, that's poker.

Is that the right move? If Player A says "nice hand" and puts his cards face-down, and then someone else says "hey who's got the whatever" and the Player A then picks up his face-down cards and says "oh, I do"... is it a live hand? I'm thinking no, but I can see others not as honest as I making a stink out of it. If that happens, what's the ruling?

Seems so cut and dry until you're the one in the mix. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Javanewt]

Cards speak. If they had not touched the muck, you win.

Expensive lesson.

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They hadn't touched the muck, but the board was already being cleared up. The hand was over, I had not tabled my hand, but rather grabbed my hand (which technically wasn't 'in the muck', but cards were being gathered) and saw I had the flush.

Yes, very expensive lesson.

[Small Fry]

Cards speak so you should have won. Your hand wasn't in the muck and even if it had "touched" it it sounds like it was still retrievable. This is based on the fact that you tabled the cards first for all to see. So did you table your hand (as you state in the OP) or not (as stated in the reponse)

While I agree to the one player per hand rule I also believe that once the cards are tabled then it is up to everyone to make sure the pot gets awarded correctly. So if the scenario was he showed his hand and you just left yours face down while conceeding defeat and now another player announces "what are you doing , you have the flush" this is in violation of the one player per hand rule. You never tabled your hand, no one should have ever seen it, so the other player should not have announced it. It is your responsibly to read your hand correctly. In this same scenario if the other guy asked to see your hand, after you conceed, pre muck and it gets turned up and you have the winner you can still win. A casino will typically touch the cards to the muck to officially signify the hand is dead.

I'm going to assume this was at your place also which makes it a little awkward. In the end, assuming you tabled the hand, I think you should have won, but letting the other guy keep it was probably more long term EV.

Hope that all makes sense.

[DavidNB]

hard one to call, but since your cards hadn't touch the muck yet, I would say you should of won the pot. Cards do speak.

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To be clear, I hadn't tabled my entire hand, and I frankly don't remember if the two cards I showed were the two in the flush (they were a two pair on the flop, and flush went runner runner, and I know my king was part of the flush, so it's possible). By the time someone said "flush", it's unclear if he was just saying in general, or about my hand specifically, or what. We're all stoned and drunk and it's very late, and Omaha's not our usual game, and that's how it is.

Anyway, the guy who took the pot just came over a few minutes ago and gave me half of it back, saying he didn't sleep a wink. I tried to refuse it, but he seemed happy to give it to me, and didn't want any bad blood or whatever. I had no ill will towards him whatsoever, but hey, if it helps him sleep, I'll take his cash. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

An awkward awful situation all around, and teaches me to table my hand in the future. And, well, pay more attention when the inebriants are going fast and furious.

But darn, if I had seen my flush, I certainly would've bet on the river. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]