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09-01-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?
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Ridiculous thing to worry about. By this logic, Sklansky, Jones, Harrington, Brunson, etc should never have written their books, since "educating the fish" would tend to make games tougher. I'm sure that you are the best player in existence, and therefore have much to fear from having to play in tougher games. But by this logic, you should be sending Sklansky an email telling him to close down this site--it also "educates the fish". While you're at it, why don't you petition ESPN, GSN, and the Travel Channel also? The hole card cams and discussion of strategy by the commentators are "educating the fish", and will make the games tougher. How will you ever be able to win with all these "secret strategies of the pros" being given away to Joe Sixpack? pathetic... [/ QUOTE ] This brings up something I never understood. If someone mentions 2p2 in a pokerstars chat (which I have only done once or twice) p-eople will jump your ass for letting "the secrets of the universe" go... are people here really that insecure with their own game? 
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#13
09-01-2007, 11:14 PM
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Re: IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?
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Ridiculous thing to worry about. By this logic, Sklansky, Jones, Harrington, Brunson, etc should never have written their books, since "educating the fish" would tend to make games tougher. I'm sure that you are the best player in existence, and therefore have much to fear from having to play in tougher games. But by this logic, you should be sending Sklansky an email telling him to close down this site--it also "educates the fish". While you're at it, why don't you petition ESPN, GSN, and the Travel Channel also? The hole card cams and discussion of strategy by the commentators are "educating the fish", and will make the games tougher. How will you ever be able to win with all these "secret strategies of the pros" being given away to Joe Sixpack? pathetic... [/ QUOTE ] Well all the things you mention arnt shoved into peoples face like it will most likely be on stars. I dont know why im pathetic for not wanting the fish to get smarter. Nice to see this thread is only on page 1 and were already throwing around middle school insults....
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#14
09-01-2007, 11:27 PM
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Re: IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?
When Dr. Thorpe's blackjack book first came out the casinos panicked.
Then they realized that only a tiny percentage of blackjack players would ever learn to properly play the game, and all the others would continue to ignore the expert advice and play their own game. Over 30 years ago I sat down at a blackjack table in Las Vegas and there were basic strategy cards on the table. The dealer said they gave free blackjack lessons several times a day, and dealers were instructed to always truthfully answer questions about basic strategy. The fish still lost.
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#15
09-01-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?
I wonder if there really is anyone in this forum that honestly believes that this is about educating the fish and not about having them believe that now they can try the real money tables...
If you're out there thinking that, please write where you play, what stakes and your handle at the tables. Thank you [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#16
09-01-2007, 11:55 PM
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Re: IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?
Precisely my point. Out of every 1000 people who read a book about card counting in BJ, only about 100 or so manage to read it all the way through. Only 10 will memorize the strategies and act accordingly. And only one will manage his bankroll well, abstain from alcohol while playing, etc. The other 999? Suckers... Not only that, the very knowledge that blackjack was a potentially beatable game created huge interest amongst casino-goers--even those who had no intention of ever truly learning how to play the game.
The same is true for any other potential advantage player--video poker, the few truly well informed sports bettors, and Yes, poker players--even we brilliant 2p2ers. How many people (even on 2p2) really know Sklansky's hand rankings for LHE cold? How many people keep track of all the dead cards in a stud game? Many of the skills involved in becoming a world class poker player are just "grunt work" (just like counting +1 for a small card, and -1 for a big card in BJ). I've seen so few people who are capable/willing to do even this much. I don't think that any online "poker school" is going to cut into my EV very much, if at all. Just as with blackjack, it will create more fish.
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#20
09-02-2007, 12:10 AM
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Re: IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?
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http://www.intellipoker.com/indexEN.htm Pokerstars plans to start a school to teach the fish. I think this is the worst possible idea, educate the fish....nice. They say on the website they are going to have forums, blogs, rankings, lessons from pros, videos, etc. Greg Raymer, Barry Greenstein, Joe hachem, etc are going to be teaching it. I e-mailed them saying how bad i think the idea is and how much im agaisnt them teaching the fish.I hope everyone will too. [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like good news to me. THis goes under the category of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Inexperienced players are going to feel confident that they can now win. The information to became a marginally winning player is available from many different resources. Having one more half asses resource will make no difference in the quality of play.
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