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#12
03-06-2006, 01:50 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
Rizen (big blind) showed [7h 8s] and won (19955) with a flush, Ace high
cheeky sod [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Edit: He did play a great hand. I just knew that he was capable of it. 
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#13
03-06-2006, 01:55 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
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[ QUOTE ] Shove the turn? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely the correct answer... let's suppose you misclick and call on the turn. What's your river play? [/ QUOTE ] Do you think he calls with anything we beat if you push the turn?
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#14
03-06-2006, 01:57 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
What a donk. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Well, anyways, after fixing my math for the brain fart, I'm trying to figure whether you can possibly call this. Let's say Rizen has a diamond 1/3 of the time. 33.3%: Hero ends up at 37147 = 12369.95 66.6%: Hero ends up at 57477 = 38279.68 Total EV for calling: 50649.63 Hero folds: Hero ends up at 47702 EV for folding: 47702 Break even EV point is somewhere around a 50% chance that Rizen has a diamond (and beats the board, obviously). Does that make it a call? Hmm...
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#15
03-06-2006, 01:57 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
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[ QUOTE ] Shove the turn? [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutely the correct answer... let's suppose you misclick and call on the turn. What's your river play? btw, seke is spot on as to my thinking... except I don't think Rizen pushes with any diamond on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Puke and fold as punishment for my misclick?
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#16
03-06-2006, 01:58 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
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Do you think he calls with anything we beat if you push the turn? [/ QUOTE ] That's why the play is good. If we shove the turn, he has to have the nut flush to call. Very, very, very, mostly he won't have it and we win a nice pot. For the very,very,very,very few times he does have it, we have boat outs. Regards, Woodguy
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#17
03-06-2006, 02:00 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
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[ QUOTE ] Do you think he calls with anything we beat if you push the turn? [/ QUOTE ] That's why the play is good. If we shove the turn, he has to have the nut flush to call. Very, very, very, mostly he won't have it and we win a nice pot. For the very,very,very,very few times he does have it, we have boat outs. Regards, Woodguy [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Pushing the turn is mandatory.
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#18
03-06-2006, 02:01 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
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[ QUOTE ] Do you think he calls with anything we beat if you push the turn? [/ QUOTE ] That's why the play is good. If we shove the turn, he has to have the nut flush to call. Very, very, very, mostly he won't have it and we win a nice pot. For the very,very,very,very few times he does have it, we have boat outs. Regards, Woodguy [/ QUOTE ] Would Rizen need the nut flush to call? Would he call with *ANY* flush there? Hero probably cbets most of the time with the A/K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the flop, doesn't he?
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#19
03-06-2006, 02:11 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Do you think he calls with anything we beat if you push the turn? [/ QUOTE ] That's why the play is good. If we shove the turn, he has to have the nut flush to call. Very, very, very, mostly he won't have it and we win a nice pot. For the very,very,very,very few times he does have it, we have boat outs. Regards, Woodguy [/ QUOTE ] From the BB's perspective does hero ever fail to cbet this flop with the A or K of diamonds? I would think no, meaning I(BB) would call a turn push by hero with more than just the nut flush. Incorrect reasoning?
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#20
03-06-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Do you think he calls with anything we beat if you push the turn? [/ QUOTE ] That's why the play is good. If we shove the turn, he has to have the nut flush to call. Very, very, very, mostly he won't have it and we win a nice pot. For the very,very,very,very few times he does have it, we have boat outs. Regards, Woodguy [/ QUOTE ] From the BB's perspective does hero ever fail to cbet this flop with the A or K of diamonds? I would think no, meaning I(BB) would call a turn push by hero with more than just the nut flush. Incorrect reasoning? [/ QUOTE ] what if he flopped the nut flush himself?
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