25nl QQ sanity check.

Schiester · #1 10-30-2007, 06:03 AM

Villan is relative unknown to me running at 15/6/1 over only 25ish hands.

So apart from reload here, any advice.

Can I safely say villan is holding JJ+ after his turn 3bet.

Due to small pf3bet I'm now thinking KK,AA are most likely.

Is anyone folding to 4bet or am I pot committed / happy to get it all in here?

Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $20.89
Hero (MP): $18.51
CO: $21.15
BTN: $45.90
SB: $24.94
BB: $34.09

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.75, BB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $8, SB raises to $23.19 and is All-In, Hero poos his pants a little.

Note: I only have around 8 left behind at this stage.

PowerRangers · #2 10-30-2007, 06:05 AM

Call and reload. You're good here at least half the time.

Spurious · #3 10-30-2007, 06:08 AM

Fold, villain is a nit.
He raises only 6% of the hands preflop, therefore he 3bets even less. He got AA/KK here imo, he shows a lot of strenght, which he barely does with an AF of 1.

Schiester · #4 10-30-2007, 06:10 AM

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Fold, villain is a nit.
He raises only 6% of the hands preflop, therefore he 3bets even less. He got AA/KK here imo, he shows a lot of strenght, which he barely does with an AF of 1.

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AF/pfr cannot be accurately determined from a sample of this many hands.

Is this your line against unknown?

Sanderrp · #5 10-30-2007, 06:15 AM

If you don't want to get it in here, don't raise flop. Not calling here means you turned your QQ into a bluff.
Which is why you need to flatcall this flop if you put your opponent on JJ+, AK. This loses less from better, but wins more from worse.

I call here, albeit unhappily. I expect to see JJ or TT every once in a while but KK or AA with a higher frequency.

EDIT: Missed samplesize. I'm calling happily, then.

Schiester · #6 10-30-2007, 06:15 AM

I've resigned myself to the fact that most pf min-3bets represent KK/AA (without reads).

I thought he might be doing this with a slightly wider range from the blinds hence the flop action. I felt like a twit but against a range of JJ+ I have around 33% equity (i.e. more than enough equity to call. However, against KK,AA, I have only 10%.

Am I seeing monsters here?

Spurious · #7 10-30-2007, 06:16 AM

oh you are right the sample size is extremely small.
I still fold QQ here.
But i'd 4bet QQ preflop and fold to a 5bet (depending on stack sizes).

As played we should probably fold, he got AA/KK.

Spurious · #8 10-30-2007, 06:18 AM

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If you don't want to get it in here, don't raise flop. Not calling here means you turned your QQ into a bluff.
Which is why you need to flatcall this flop if you put your opponent on JJ+, AK. This loses less from better, but wins more from worse.

I call here, albeit unhappily. I expect to see JJ or TT every once in a while but KK or AA with a higher frequency.

EDIT: Missed samplesize. I'm calling happily, then.

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Why do we turn our hand in a bluff by folding here?
I think we raise flop for value (vs. 88-JJ), but have to fold now, since he shows more strength than 88-JJ would do.

Schiester · #9 10-30-2007, 06:19 AM

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If you don't want to get it in here, don't raise flop. Not calling here means you turned your QQ into a bluff.
Which is why you need to flatcall this flop if you put your opponent on JJ+, AK. This loses less from better, but wins more from worse.

I call here, albeit unhappily. I expect to see JJ or TT every once in a while but KK or AA with a higher frequency.

EDIT: Missed samplesize. I'm calling happily, then.

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In which case you are set mining and are not likely to get value here. If you call this you have difficult decisions to come as you are going to have to put alot more in the pot if you want to see a showdown.

Folding has to be a better line than calling here imo.

A huge part of this villan's range is AK which I am wanting to push him off on this flop.

Sanderrp · #10 10-30-2007, 06:19 AM

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oh you are right the sample size is extremely small.
I still fold QQ here.
But i'd 4bet QQ preflop and fold to a 5bet (depending on stack sizes).

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Why are you turning QQ into a bluff preflop? I really hate the 4-bet/fold line.

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As played we should probably fold, he got AA/KK.

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I don't think his range is that narrow, and I call. I've seen people do this with 78s at PS 25NL, where they get tired of LP raises and then decide that top pair is the nuts on the flop. This isn't going to happen much, but ranges are wider than you may think.