Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)

[RiverFenix]

Can any information in the mod thread be brought back to here or the zoo? I don't understand why it was moved and hearing information instead of speculation would be really appreciated.

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this [censored] is [censored] up. i mean, i don't understand a lot of it because this thread really doesn't say much, but so far i assume that..

a) absolute made an account that can see the hole cards of the other player (but not the cards to come on the turn and river)
b) lol

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fyp

ap's RNG: safe. ap's ability not to make superuser accounts that see everyone's hole cards: compromised

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If all this is actually true, do you see Absolute taking any steps to reimburse the victims?

A better question is do you think Absolute will ever admit to all this?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Absolute will claim they were hacked and had nothing to do with this... blah, blah, blah. They'll tell us they've locked that "user's" account and have confiscated "his" funds. Then they will make noises about reimbursements, but never get around to doing anything.

Seriously, is ANYONE surprised to hear this about Absolute?

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I don't think Absolute would ever admit they were hacked or compromised in anyway. It would be so bad for their business and online poker in general.

[Mike Cuneo]

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edit: link edited out as it now goes to the mod forum

Cliff notes: Looks like AP has a compromised 'superuser' account that can read everyone's hole cards. gg.

edit again: thread stickied, super ultra tldr cliff note hand added

Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI$428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]

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standard

also, coincidence that they now offer 9% interest on VIP accts?

[En Passant]

Maybe it will just be bad...

I originally thought that it would be bad in the short term if this was true. But in the long term, I thought it would provide some assurance for the number of people who think online poker is rigged.

[KneeCo]

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wtf is going on?

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Ssrly, is there evidence here beyond that one HH?

[goofyballer]

Beat: Mods are FOS when they tell us they can't sticky a topic that isn't locked

[adanthar]

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Beat: Mods are FOS when they tell us they can't sticky a topic that isn't locked

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we're not supposed to, but since ATF broke that rule to celebrate nath's 20K post I think I can bend it for this

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Ssrly, is there evidence here beyond that one HH?

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lots of it, read the whole thread. more will be forthcoming if/when the other thread gets moved back from the mod forum.

[DMoogle]

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Beat: Mods are FOS when they tell us they can't sticky a topic that isn't locked

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LOL yeah I thought about that before.

But I agree I think we're going to need to see more than one HH per account to make sure it isn't just some drunk guy with a load of cash. I mean, are these people playing a LOT or what's up?

[schwah]

is there any evidence other than a few hands? and even if someone CAN see someone elses holecards, isnt it possible that its because of a trojan and not absolute's fault?

i mean its possible hes just retarded/bad... heres a hand my friend saw today on stars where someone called a river shove with 10 high:

PokerStars Game #12067296948: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/09/15 - 04:16:08 (ET)
Table 'Miriam IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Luckycharm84 ($190.60 in chips)
Seat 2: kjell_morten ($576 in chips)
Seat 3: floes ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: jen&jes ($578.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Raidan909 ($621 in chips)
Seat 6: hook2120 ($690.20 in chips)
kjell_morten: posts small blind $3
floes: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raidan909 [2d Jh]
jen&jes: calls $6
Raidan909: folds
hook2120: calls $6
Luckycharm84: calls $6
kjell_morten: calls $3
floes: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 4c 4d]
kjell_morten: bets $18
floes: folds
jen&jes: calls $18
hook2120: calls $18
Luckycharm84: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 4c 4d] [3d]
kjell_morten: checks
jen&jes: checks
hook2120: checks
*** RIVER *** [8c 4c 4d 3d] [6d]
kjell_morten: checks
jen&jes: bets $154
hook2120: raises $512.20 to $666.20 and is all-in
kjell_morten: folds
jen&jes: calls $400.10 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hook2120: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
jen&jes: mucks hand
hook2120 collected $1189.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1192.20 | Rake $3
Board [8c 4c 4d 3d 6d]
Seat 1: Luckycharm84 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: kjell_morten (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: floes (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jen&jes mucked [Tc 9c]
Seat 5: Raidan909 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: hook2120 showed [6s 6h] and won ($1189.20) with a full house, Sixes full of Fours

not saying that nothing is going on... but is there more evidence than just "omg look this guy called with 10 high"?

that said i think it would be wise to stay out of the high stakes games on abs until this is resolved....

[Chump Change]

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i thought everyone pressed up up down down a b start when logging in to Absolute?

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up up down down left right left right b a start is the correct code for absolute

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but it's select start if you're colluding as well, right?

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lol clever