100NL: AA Value Shove

[Kos13]

Villain is a 23/4/2 idiot. I've seen him limp UTG with 63s, and he has a bad habit of checking the turn with the nuts before insta-potting the river. I don't know him too well, though, so I'm not sure if he likes to bluff-shove the river.

My image is TAG. I've been running ~20/17 at this table (I've been here for ~45 minutes), and I've raised his limps a couple times and won every pot without a showdown. He's probably at least a little annoyed that I've raised him 4-5 times already.

UB NLHE - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 8 Players

Hero (BB): $130.90
MP2: $96.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 Players)
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls $5, SB folds

Flop: ($14) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.50</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $21</font>, Hero calls $10.50

I don't buy it. I don't think he has me beat, so I'm not folding. I called with the intention of CRAI on the turn.

Turn: ($56) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

I whiffed on the turn CRAI.

River: ($56) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero shoves for value (Villain has $69 left)</font>

I'm not folding this hand no matter what. I figured he had a jack or nothing here, so I shoved for value because I don't think he's good/smart enough to get away from a jack. Does anyone check here to induce a bluff?

[crunny]

I only like a check if you think he can bet a J (your hand will look pretty weak) otherwise bet river, i usually bet 1/2 pot to induce calls from weak J's but it really is read dependent if u think he calls a shove then even better!!

Couple of points about the rest of the hand though:

1. why not just shove flop? You dont think he calls with QJ or 98 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

2. Bet turn. You are ahead of his range and he will check behind a lot.

[hielo_uno]

if you think he is unable to fold a jack, why not bet the turn?

[ToomuchCoffee]

Shove flop, there will come no better spot.

[Kos13]

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if you think he is unable to fold a jack, why not bet the turn?

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I'm not sure he has a jack. Checking to him (with the intention of CRAI) gives him another chance to fire a second barrel. When he checks behind, it leaves me iffy on whether or not he will bluff the river if I check again.

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Shove flop, there will come no better spot.

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That doesn't make sense because it takes away his ability to bluff.

[da_fume]

Me likey.

[CalledDownLight]

If you weren't folding then I like it. Its a lot better than c/c a shove in this spot imo. He shouldn't ever be vbetting worse on the river so it will come down to bluff frequency if you c/c.

[Johnes Benjamin]

I think river shove looks good if he really can't get away from a J.
I wouldn't normally check the turn though, as I put him on a marginal hand very often. Sometimes a PP, sometimes a draw, and sometimes a J, but in any case I think a minraise is usually a way to control pot size by slowing you down on the next street.
I might bet like $20ish to make it look like a blocking bet and hope he comes over the top.

[mce86]

I think you should have just checked...and called if thats your line. I dont think a J is calling here...and people seem to play the same regardless if youve raised the twice, three, or five times in a row. It doesnt change.

[Kos13]

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people seem to play the same regardless if youve raised the twice, three, or five times in a row. It doesnt change.

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I really disagree with this. You're telling me you never adjust your game when someone keeps raising you? If a guy 3bets you five times in an hour, you're not calling/4betting lighter than usual that fifth time? That seems really weird.