No hand converter, 1/2 LO8 hand

[Murakawa]

Full Tilt Poker Game #1948256352: Table Anthem - $1/$2 - Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 19:13:37 ET - 2007/03/08
Seat 1: leolaw ($19.25)
Seat 2: 101ita91 ($8.75)
Seat 3: etinks ($73.75)
Seat 4: Murakawa ($39.75)
Seat 5: varmitt ($63.25)
Seat 6: Madcity_83 ($84.25)
Seat 7: grizz24hi ($46)
Seat 8: lilsunshine222 ($59.50)
Seat 9: BrandonMC33 ($38.50)
grizz24hi posts the small blind of $0.50
lilsunshine222 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Murakawa [Tc 9c 2d Ad]
BrandonMC33 calls $1
leolaw folds
101ita91 folds
etinks folds
Murakawa calls $1
varmitt folds
Madcity_83 folds
grizz24hi calls $0.50
lilsunshine222 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 3h 7s]
grizz24hi checks
lilsunshine222 bets $1
BrandonMC33 calls $1
Murakawa calls $1
grizz24hi folds
*** TURN *** [Qh 3h 7s] [8d]
lilsunshine222 checks
BrandonMC33 bets $2
Murakawa calls $2
lilsunshine222 calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Qh 3h 7s 8d] [Ac]
lilsunshine222 bets $2
BrandonMC33 calls $2


Murakawa?



No reads. Upon

[Habib Marwan]

don't call or raise

[Murakawa]

As in fold? that's what I Did...

[bbartlog]

I think you have to fold. Once in a while your aces will be good for high or you'll get a quarter for low, but I think the chances are small enough that a fold is correct.

[I dunno]

A fold is standard and frustrating. I'd call with aces up though, on that board.

[Shabamabam]

I'm not too caught up on >2 players LO8, but can we find a fold on the flop here? We don't even have bd flush draws.

[bbartlog]

Folding flop doesn't seem right. If you assume that it's 70% likely that you are the only one with a nut low draw, you have about 25% pot equity there (accounting for chance of quartering) and another 5% or so from the backdoor str8. And you only have to call one more SB into a 6SB pot to see another card. Folding here is crazy weak-tight, I think you play too much pot limit [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

[Murakawa]

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Folding flop doesn't seem right. If you assume that it's 70% likely that you are the only one with a nut low draw, you have about 25% pot equity there (accounting for chance of quartering) and another 5% or so from the backdoor str8. And you only have to call one more SB into a 6SB pot to see another card. Folding here is crazy weak-tight, I think you play too much pot limit [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

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I'm not going to fold this flop no way no how. River... you know with the river I have a 2 way hand it's just not the nuts. Against 3 opponents it's not that bad, but they're both playing like they have 2 different nuts. I guess I posted this because I would have won the low (the other guy had A4 and nothing else) and the high hand didn't have anything for low. I think calling is losing money in the logn run.

Thanks for the simple but consise responses!

[I dunno]

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I'm not too caught up on >2 players LO8, but can we find a fold on the flop here? We don't even have bd flush draws.

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With no pair, no real draw, I'll usually fold the flop against decent opponents. Without a read at 1-2, I'm not folding the flop though, because there are really some bad ones that litterally play 90% of their hands. I want to find that out right away and how bad they are after the flop.

[Murakawa]

We have a pair of aces which could hold up, and we have nut low draw.

As you say at 1/2 there are some bad players, and you're right.

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I'm not too caught up on >2 players LO8, but can we find a fold on the flop here? We don't even have bd flush draws.

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With no pair, no real draw, I'll usually fold the flop against decent opponents. Without a read at 1-2, I'm not folding the flop though, because there are really some bad ones that litterally play 90% of their hands. I want to find that out right away and how bad they are after the flop.

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