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10-25-2007, 11:48 PM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
playing ace rag in EP is pretty bad.
Rob, tell us what were YOUR thought processes on the turn? what are you hoping to achieve by betting? doing so will help you get better at poker as well as help show you aint no troll or a gimmick account that just so happens to be up to date with the lingo we use round these ere parts. also it seems like you dont treat your opponents with much respect at all which probably is a contributor to your spewy play here...tis be a slippery slope 
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#3
10-26-2007, 12:01 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
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playing ace rag like this in EP is pretty bad. [/ QUOTE ] Ozi, it's 5-handed. A7o is certainly in the playing range, but Hero shouldn't be limping anything. As to the river, overcalling would be bad, but since the middle player folded, yeah, give it a call.
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#4
10-26-2007, 12:29 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
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[ QUOTE ] playing ace rag like this in EP is pretty bad. [/ QUOTE ] Ozi, it's 5-handed. A7o is certainly in the playing range. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it is in this game. I'd probably want A9o minimum.
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#5
10-26-2007, 01:45 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
FWIW I fail at reading...thought it was like fullring. go me. as boz said...if ur playing it...raise it.
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10-26-2007, 09:17 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] playing ace rag like this in EP is pretty bad. [/ QUOTE ] Ozi, it's 5-handed. A7o is certainly in the playing range. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it is in this game. I'd probably want A9o minimum. [/ QUOTE ] 5 handed here with a ton of people that im assuming will Call two cold here is an easy fold for me. A9 sounds about right, KQo also.
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#7
10-26-2007, 10:52 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] playing ace rag like this in EP is pretty bad. [/ QUOTE ] Ozi, it's 5-handed. A7o is certainly in the playing range. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it is in this game. I'd probably want A9o minimum. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I almost jumped all over this, and then realized that you MUST be being sarcastic as the preflop difference between A9o and A7o is insignificant.
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#8
10-26-2007, 11:17 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
I dont mind popping A7o in the HJ. But with a high rake and with loose players behind you I think its a muck.
Playing it wont be a huge mistake tho. With lower rake or with tight players behind you its an easy raise for me. @ OP When shorthanded you shouldnt open limp. EVER!
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#9
10-26-2007, 12:01 AM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
On the turn, most spades obviously makes the nuts. I also thought any A or 7 or K would be good enough here, given my opponents (very loose and passive). So I have FD + gutshot + 5 more outs (A and 7). Even if we discount that for the times we split with a straight, lose with trip A's to a straight, and are drawing thin against a made flush (which is not very often), I think it's a pretty decent value bet. Let's not forget that once in a blue moon we will show down sevens unimproved and win the pot vs. 2 busted draws.
When it comes to respecting my opponents, I have found that in general at nano-limits, it's better not to try to figure out what my opponents are thinking or doing. If I just play my hand and the board, I tend to profit more than when I try to put non-thinking opponents on a hand and end up seeing Monsters Under The Bed.
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#10
10-26-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: Ugly A7 shorthanded, plz evaluate/berate
Hi all,
A little background... I've been lurking here for a couple of months, trying to read as much as possible to get my feet wet. I've played poker sporadically over the last couple of years (maybe 2-3K hands total), and I've recently decided I want to get serious about poker, and make a concerted effort to really improve my game. I look forward to posting here, and highly appreciate all the commentary/discussion that goes on. Anyhoo... with this hand, I'm a little bit confused as to why the turn bet was a bad play. Assuming everyone calls, he's getting 3:1 odds. I think Rob is counting 18 outs or so, and if you discount a few of those (Aces might give somebody the straight), it's still highly likely you'll end up around 12 or 13 outs, which I believe is better than 3:1. Is it a bed bet because of the possibility of a split pot if he hits the straight? If this is a mistake, I think it's a mistake I probably make fairly often, so any insight would be much appreciated. Thanks again, and looking forward to getting involved in the forum.
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