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Old 07-03-2006, 05:10 AM
Black winter day Black winter day is offline
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Default AK oop - reraise or just call?

I am having difficulties playing AK oop.
If several players limped and i reraise - i am commited to a pretty large cb if the flop is ragged and i have to fold to a reraise...Also, the implied odds are minimal, since by reraising i am defining my hand and there won't be much action if A or K flops.

How do you play AK oop (from the blinds or UTG for example)?
Does it matter if it's AKs?
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Old 07-03-2006, 05:21 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

I wouldn't be so sure about the part of no action if A or K flops. Sometimes you wont get any action, sometimes someone with KQ will pay you off, it is very opponent dependant.

I hope you are raising some other hands out of the blinds too? In this case, you arent defining it that much. Im usually raising bigger than usual, to limit any customers that want to come along. If you are left heads up you are most likely to pick up the pot after the flop. Sometimes you wont, but thats no big deal.

If several players do call your raise, then you have to be more cautious and look for good flops to do a continuation bet.
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Old 07-03-2006, 05:28 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

Raising is one thing - reraising OOP is another one.
I won't do it with AJo i'll tell you that right now
Basically, if i am reraising from the blinds - i have at least TT or AQs.
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Old 07-03-2006, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

I reraise AK over 90% of the time from any position.


I also have started to reraise SC a lot more out of the blinds
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Old 07-03-2006, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

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I reraise AK over 90% of the time from any position.


I also have started to reraise SC a lot more out of the blinds

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1 caller, flop is 238, 2 diamonds.
You cbet (2/3? pot?) and he calls.
Turn is a Js.
Your line?
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Old 07-03-2006, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

bwd,

just c/f it down....no problem
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Old 07-03-2006, 09:36 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

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I reraise AK over 90% of the time from any position.


I also have started to reraise SC a lot more out of the blinds

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1 caller, flop is 238, 2 diamonds.
You cbet (2/3? pot?) and he calls.
Turn is a Js.
Your line?

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Fire another barrel or check fold

this isn't a game of scripts.
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Old 07-03-2006, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

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bwd,

just c/f it down....no problem

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That's what i usually do.
I suspect villains might pick up that pattern and if i check the turn, bet with anything.
Also, i might get floated more.

Anyway - wouldn't a better line be call and see the flop?
We might even c/r if K or A flopped.

The only advantages in reraising as i see:

a)find out if he has AA/KK
b)take control of the pot and force out small pairs and worse A.

The bad things are:
a)Building a pot OOP
b)Give up what might be the best hand on the turn
c)Defining our hand and denying any action if flop TP
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Old 07-03-2006, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

Other advantages:

- Just winning the hand preflop often. If you just call OOP and c/f to his cbet when you don't flop a pair you're not generating tons of value. I'm happy to just take down the pot preflop.

- Getting paid with your premium pairs in the same spot. If all you reraise with OOP preflop are aces and kings, it's hard to get your huge hands paid.

Also, most opponents won't float a preflop reraise and significant flop bet. Some will, but the majority won't. If you reraise preflop and get called, the pot is probably 25BB, and a solid cbet creates a giant pot that most opponents won't want to continue with unless they flop well.
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Old 07-03-2006, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: AK oop - reraise or just call?

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Other advantages:

- Just winning the hand preflop often. If you just call OOP and c/f to his cbet when you don't flop a pair you're not generating tons of value. I'm happy to just take down the pot preflop.

- Getting paid with your premium pairs in the same spot. If all you reraise with OOP preflop are aces and kings, it's hard to get your huge hands paid.

Also, most opponents won't float a preflop reraise and significant flop bet. Some will, but the majority won't. If you reraise preflop and get called, the pot is probably 25BB, and a solid cbet creates a giant pot that most opponents won't want to continue with unless they flop well.

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All valid points.
Regarding the first though - i also prefer to take the pot preflop with AK oop.
But if it is heads up, for example, we almost always win a bigger pot if we just call and c/r on extract value from AK, underpair.

I am usually reraising Ak oop anyway...
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