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Old 10-30-2007, 12:38 PM
mpn mpn is offline
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Default $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

No reads, I got stacked KK < AA like a cycle before, been playing fairly TAG.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $8.15
BB: $12.45
UTG: $23.90
MP: $25.15
CO: $83.90
Hero (BTN): $23.75

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.75, MP folds

Flop: ($7.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4

Turn: ($15.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5.45 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

Results: $15.10 Pot ($0.70 Rake)
BB mucked and WON $14.40 (+$7.40 NET)
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:47 PM
JoseRijo JoseRijo is offline
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

Darn short-stackers.
I don't like your line at all. Either check or push on the flop. Your weak c-bet almost forces him to push the turn.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

Shove or check flop.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:36 PM
Logun Logun is offline
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

Raise more PF too - I go to 4$

Flop just put him in or give up on the hand.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:55 PM
larry31 larry31 is offline
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

When i am in a hand with a shortstack and a cbet will make him pot commited, I tend not to cbet unless I have something I am willing to call an all in with.

Here I would just check behind and try to show down AK high Although if he checks to you on the turn it might be ok to do a delayed cbet because usually a player has nothing in that situation in my experience (10nl)
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

betting 3.5 on the 3 bet sets up a flop shove better. i think the advice in this thread is good. you cant commit 2/3 of his stack on the flop with no plan, check or push.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:23 PM
el_grande el_grande is offline
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

As played, I think you may be ahead of a flush draw.

1) he coldcalled pf (I'm sooted)
2) he check-called the flop
3) his turn bet is a semi-bluff in his mind.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:26 PM
Jouster777 Jouster777 is offline
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

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Shove or check flop.

[/ QUOTE ]What does villain call flop with here that folds if we shove instead? Does villain ever feel he has FE with his turn shove?

Of course what I'm getting at is does the $4 bet achieve 90% of what the shove does at a lower price?
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

I honestly think the 4 dollar bet does accomplish almost the same thing as a shove. If a villain is going to put him 40% of his short stack on this flop, what makes you think he wont put the rest in? I have been in this spot many times, trying both betting normal and shoving. I get called when I shove with the same hands I see calling me when I make a normal c bet.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: $25NL: Is this a bad line with AK?

i think we have to raise this more pf. i think its to about 4ish or so. but i push or check flop no sense in c-bet
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