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11-25-2007, 03:09 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
I am retarded and should read the whole post first. You are not capping here it is hu. If this is a standard tight guy I would 5bet KK and just call with AA and QQ. I dont have any real reason for capping KK except that when you are up against hands like JJ or QQ that you have dominated you will be glad that you got the extra value when board comes bad for their hand. Obv, you can afford to be more deceptive with AA in this spot since you are a huge favorite over anything he would 4bet here.
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#2
11-25-2007, 02:57 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
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[ QUOTE ] Someone told me the 20 was all but dead at Foxwoods, this cant be true...can it? [/ QUOTE ] if by "all but dead" that someone means "amazingly alive and great" or "way worse than a time when it was the greatest game in the history of the world" then "it" is true. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hand: bob opens from EP (i think UTG+1). folded to me i 3bet QQ. folded back to him and he caps i call. [/ QUOTE ] There is no cap HU there and I'm sure Bob is well aware of this, therefore I think you played it fine. I'm feel like he showed you AA-KK here as I doubt he 4-bets HU w/JJ. [/ QUOTE ] first off, it is an effective cap imo. when he 4 bets, why would i 5 bet AA/KK here? that just tips him off too much and thus i shouldn't 5 bet QQ. and why should i 5 bet AK? so basically 5 betting: A) gives away my positional advantage since he knows with too high a confidence level my range 2) nets me only an additional small bet. and D) hurts my ability to get as many big bets as i could have if i just called (related to number A above) second off, why shouldn't he 4bet TT pf vs. me, nevermind JJ? that imo is very standard as it has many advantages that help to override some of my positional advantage. this is fairly standard at least in any online full ring game i've played and have discussed this with many great players and have no doubt in my mind that 4 betting (with a cap, even an effective one though i don't think bob necessarilyt hought that) TT/JJ in bob's shoes is good. thanks for your input, Barron [/ QUOTE ] My statement about the cap has nothing to do with weather you should 5-bet.
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#5
11-25-2007, 02:40 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
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the only questionable street is the river. [/ QUOTE ] so then what should my folding frequency be here? i don't think JJ is ever out of his range of betting given the way i've played the hand, as QQ isn't. i mean that is one of the major reasons why i chose to play it this way... i.e. to maek the river easy to play: don't play such that his river bet is necessarily a hand that beats mine. Barron
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#6
11-25-2007, 03:24 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
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[ QUOTE ] the only questionable street is the river. [/ QUOTE ] so then what should my folding frequency be here? [/ QUOTE ] I think this depends a great deal on recent history between the two of you.
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#7
11-25-2007, 03:28 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the only questionable street is the river. [/ QUOTE ] so then what should my folding frequency be here? [/ QUOTE ] I think this depends a great deal on recent history between the two of you. [/ QUOTE ] i dont think i could fold that river since id ont' think he'd ever check that river w/ JJ assuming nothing strange/crazy/wierd was goign on between us recently. Barron
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#8
11-25-2007, 03:31 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the only questionable street is the river. [/ QUOTE ] so then what should my folding frequency be here? [/ QUOTE ] I think this depends a great deal on recent history between the two of you. [/ QUOTE ] i dont think i could fold that river since id ont' think he'd ever check that river w/ JJ assuming nothing strange/crazy/wierd was goign on between us recently. Barron [/ QUOTE ] i'm more worried about him bluffing AK here.
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#9
11-25-2007, 04:51 AM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
You beat JJ and AK - 22 combinations.
you lose to AA, KK, QQ & TT - 21 combinations. he isnt folding any hand that beats you to a raise. And your not folding - the action is obviously a call.
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#10
11-25-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: most passive QQ i\'ve played in recent memory...alternatives?
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You beat JJ and AK - 22 combinations. you lose to AA, KK, QQ & TT - 21 combinations. he isnt folding any hand that beats you to a raise. And your not folding - the action is obviously a call. [/ QUOTE ] Uh nobody's talking about trying to bluff him off Aces with a call call river-raise line, what about the times he calls a river raise with JJ or occasionally looks him up with AK because of this slightly oddball line. I'm not saying the river is a raise(I don't think it is) but you're looking at it wrong. --Nobody raises the flop and calls down from there?
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