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Old 11-17-2007, 01:04 AM
beanwater beanwater is offline
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Default b/f river

villain is 23/18/2.15 seems very solid
ive never b/f a river before, is this time ok? i assumed here that villain would only raise nuts or the second nuts.
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

I like it.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

river b/f is fine i guess, but the flop call is bad imo. you are behind every hand in his range drawing to 2 outs.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

meh, if I get to this river I don't fold, but I've given up bet/folding
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

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meh, if I get to this river I don't fold, but I've given up bet/folding

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Old 11-17-2007, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

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river b/f is fine i guess, but the flop call is bad imo. you are behind every hand in his range drawing to 2 outs.

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AJ AQ?
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Old 11-17-2007, 09:01 AM
thepizzlefosho thepizzlefosho is offline
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Default Re: b/f river

flop call is close. but once you call the flop and hit your flush draw I really hate folding the river. That being said nitty TAGs rarely bluff raise the river, so I think b/f is correct.
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Old 11-17-2007, 11:32 AM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: b/f river

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meh, if I get to this river I don't fold, but I've given up bet/folding

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this is why b/f is the best play here.

This guy knows we have a big diamond, and he knows we aren't folding.

This guy will have the Ad about always here.

There are lots of bid diamonds this guy could have, and we are done on this hand.

The flop is interesting though. I don't think I'm c/f, but I could be wrong about this spot.
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

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river b/f is fine i guess, but the flop call is bad imo. you are behind every hand in his range drawing to 2 outs.

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AJ AQ?

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the guy is a tag, not a lagtag. he knows that we know that he has a strong hand because he raised from utg and not say co, yet we elected to 3-bet him out of position, which means we have a really strong hand. so i really doubt he's capping AJ and AQ. yes, sometimes he'll cap AQs but not always, and sometimes he'll cap AQo - much more rarely than AQs.

if he raised from co or his pfr was like 22 it would be a different story.

your equity against AQs, AK, TT+ on this flop is 17.7%. additionally, you suffer from rio. i think it's an easy fold.

if i'm mistaken about the capping habits of tags with 18 pfr, please correct me.
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Old 11-18-2007, 01:16 AM
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Default Re: b/f river

One thing to consider here is what your image at this table is and what kind of history you have between this villain. If you've been running hot with your finger glued to the turbo raise button then villain may be capping light pf thinking you're a complete lag.

Once I get to the river in this spot I'm not doing anything that involves folding. So if your plan is to bet fold I'd rather check call for the same price. This villain seems like the type that will still be value betting his strong non-flush hands on the river anyway.
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