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#21
11-20-2007, 10:14 AM
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Re: Every street debatable
If we c/c the flop, we have to c/r a turn with a 7 imo. The 7 is a scary card, he folds very often a nine outers. Moreover if he 3 bet, we have 0 or 2 outs and we can make a clean fold.
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#23
11-20-2007, 10:51 AM
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Re: Every street debatable
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Why are we not check calling the river as played against a 2.3 and giving him a chance to bet his busted draw or his A? [/ QUOTE ] Because he 3bets most draws on the flop & calls with his A all day.
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#24
11-20-2007, 10:51 AM
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Re: Every street debatable
Against most lags with a c/r on the flop, it looks too suspicious. On this river nina can have a busted draw and he can make a crying call with ace high.
A raise on the river is very unlikely. c/c<b/c, but it is not obvious c/f<b/c.
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#28
11-20-2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: Every street debatable
Flop c/r is standard. It puts pressure on a button raiser w/a wide variety of hands that hate this flop. How do you feel w/QTo no heart? How bout AT no heart? You've gotta c/r here to balance when you will c/r w/a K or strait draw. On the river, I prefer to cc or b/f. Once he raises the river, AK and other good kings need to be put back into his hand range. I take this line all the time against tags in position.
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#29
11-20-2007, 08:56 PM
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Re: Every street debatable
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this guy is going to charge himself to draw on the turn. i just c/c down, and With that turn and river, i'm not folding. As played, you are probably smoked on the river, but I can't see how you can fold. [/ QUOTE ] This whole thread is sick. If I was forced to draw up a better example of when to run the "Check/Call Down" play I would be hard-pressed to beat out this hand. Anybody who doesnt understand why C/Cing down unless the board gets really bad, is the play here needs to re-evaluate their game. I would start by getting back to the basics and opening up their dusty "Theory of Poker" books to pages 270-272. For those like TheHip and Palomino who figured out that C/C down is the play here, you should pat yourselves on the back. If I ever write a book on holdem this will be the type of situation I will use to illustrate when to apply the C/C down play. Here we have the perfect type of hand, against the perfect type of player to run this play so lets not check/raise the flop and screw this up.
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#30
11-20-2007, 09:59 PM
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Re: Every street debatable
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[ QUOTE ] this guy is going to charge himself to draw on the turn. i just c/c down, and With that turn and river, i'm not folding. As played, you are probably smoked on the river, but I can't see how you can fold. [/ QUOTE ] This whole thread is sick. If I was forced to draw up a better example of when to run the "Check/Call Down" play I would be hard-pressed to beat out this hand. Anybody who doesnt understand why C/Cing down unless the board gets really bad, is the play here needs to re-evaluate their game. I would start by getting back to the basics and opening up their dusty "Theory of Poker" books to pages 270-272. For those like TheHip and Palomino who figured out that C/C down is the play here, you should pat yourselves on the back. If I ever write a book on holdem this will be the type of situation I will use to illustrate when to apply the C/C down play. Here we have the perfect type of hand, against the perfect type of player to run this play so lets not check/raise the flop and screw this up. [/ QUOTE ] not trying to debate you, but how do you know the value of inducing bluffs on this board outweighs the value of him calling down with A high or lower pp + the value of not letting him take free cards? does it just come from experience or is there some way to see that? on a related note, there's stox's c/r c/c c/c line.
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