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11-16-2007, 01:37 AM
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Social Security: Maintain status quo [/ QUOTE ] Please explain what you like about the status quo, specifically using a regressive tax on income to fund current spending and leaving a pile of IOUs in the "trust fund." [ QUOTE ] Social spending: Maintain existing programs, but more money [/ QUOTE ] By taking the money from citizens, borrowing it, or just printing more? 
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11-16-2007, 01:46 AM
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Re: I have yet to hear a single good argument for Clinton.
You seem to be very liberal with you name calling, is that a trait that the members of the Democrat Party possess?
You need to catch up, Bill blew with Bin Laden. And for your information I'm not a Republican you can call that party whatever you desire.
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11-16-2007, 03:17 AM
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You seem to be very liberal with you name calling, is that a trait that the members of the Democrat Party possess? You need to catch up, Bill blew with Bin Laden. And for your information I'm not a Republican you can call that party whatever you desire. [/ QUOTE ] I highly doubt someone who doesn't already agree with you is going to find this line of argumentation very convincing...
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#44
11-16-2007, 04:32 AM
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Re: I have yet to hear a single good argument for Clinton.
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[ QUOTE ] You seem to be very liberal with you name calling, is that a trait that the members of the Democrat Party possess? You need to catch up, Bill blew with Bin Laden. And for your information I'm not a Republican you can call that party whatever you desire. [/ QUOTE ] I highly doubt someone who doesn't already agree with you is going to find this line of argumentation very convincing... [/ QUOTE ] I definitely agree that the person he's responding to can call Republicans whatever he wants. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#45
11-16-2007, 08:03 AM
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War on Terror: This is mostly about surrounding yourself with the right advisers. I suspect that a Cabinet formed by Sen. Clinton will contain many of the figures we saw in her Husband's Administration, which fought terrorism the right way IMO [/ QUOTE ] Without pointing out specific individual attacks/failures: I worked in CT during both Late Clinton ADM, Bush pre 9/11 ADM and Bush Post 9/11 ADM. My dispassionate assessment is that they both have handled it in an extremely FAR from right/correct manner. Clinton's policies were essentially politicly face saving at all cost. IOW, give it some resources but keep it on a very short lease tying the hands on those working on the pointy end of the sword. Even confirmed, actionable intelligence was dustbinned to avoid any "uncomfortableness" for Clinton. We were treated as undesirables doing something that was necesary but shouldn't be allowed any real power, influence or publicity. To a significant degree, the same went for the 1st 9 mos of Bush ADM. Post 9/11, Bush went to the complete opposite end of the spectrum. It was cool for us in the trade for a short while, in that we suddenly were able to take decisive action when required. OTOH, after just a few short months it became clear that there were NO limits to what we could do and that has just continued spiraling onward to the point that congress and The Executive branch are actually niting over whether torture is torture. In Summary: Giving credit to Clinton for doing it "right" is to be wholly uninformed and to support the current anti-terror policies is to support a complete, public departure from the rule of law and basic American Precepts.
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#46
11-16-2007, 11:10 AM
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War on Terror: This is mostly about surrounding yourself with the right advisers. I suspect that a Cabinet formed by Sen. Clinton will contain many of the figures we saw in her Husband's Administration, which fought terrorism the right way IMO [/ QUOTE ] I don't know why anyone would risk being in a Clinton administration..... they had a higher death rate than the crab fishermen that are said to have the "most dangerous job in the world" Not to mention the ones who survived had a very high number of indictments. Do we really want Sandy Burglar back in there.... he seems to be Hillary's BFF at the moment.
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#47
11-16-2007, 11:42 AM
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Does anyone have one? [/ QUOTE ] I could probably say the same about every other candidate. Reasons I support Hillary: More protection for the environment. Some form of Universal Health care. Lower taxes for the middle class. More emphasis on alternative and renewable energy. Increased fuel efficiency by car makers. Repeal of some tax breaks for big oil and the rich. More funds for stem cell research. Leave social security in a lock-box. Maybe the appointment of pro-choice Supreme Court Justices. Support for reasonable gun control. Believe it or not, she will continue the War on Terror.
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11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Does anyone have one? [/ QUOTE ] The CEO of Citigroup does. He endorsed her. Talk to him. [/ QUOTE ] How do you know he has a good reason? Should we give a rat's ass who endorses any candidate?
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#50
11-16-2007, 12:51 PM
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1:Lower taxes for the middle class. 2:More emphasis on alternative and renewable energy. 3:Increased fuel efficiency by car makers. 4:Repeal of some tax breaks for big oil and the rich. 5:More funds for stem cell research. 6:Leave social security in a lock-box. 7:Maybe the appointment of pro-choice Supreme Court Justices. 8:Support for reasonable gun control. 9:Believe it or not, she will continue the War on Terror. [/ QUOTE ] I numbered your issues so that I could address them individually. 1: GREAT!! lets add lower taxes for everyone and PROOF that it will happen and maybe I will get on board 2: Market is working on this and it will happen better and faster if the guvment stays OUT. ( see also ethanol boondoggle) 3: same answer as #2 4: this is the same as saying tax increase for everyone. Companies don't pay taxes they just shift the burden to the consumer. 5: similar answer as #2 There should be absolutely no barriers to stem cell research. It is a potential $$$$ bonanza we don't need the government to pay for it. 6: while we are at it can I get a key to my own lockbox? Can I have a say in how my money is spent for my future? Or do I just piss into the wind and hope I don't get sprayed? 7: Meh ... true ethical justices who can actually read the constitution would uphold an abortion right, it may not be Roe due to technical legal reasons but I don't think that its something to fear. Its just a scare tactic used by the 2 sides to make them seem different to the base. 8: LOL .. we have more laws on the books now than you can shake 1000 sticks at. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns don't make you unsafe, the war on drugs and a government out of control do. 9: GREAT .. more entangling alliances and rampant spending to achieve nothing but bigger government. Sounds more like nine reasons to hope she dies in a grease fire to me.
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