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Old 11-09-2007, 10:57 AM
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lol, no way I fold this.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:30 PM
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Good fold. Hate the flop cap. Don't even love the flop raise.

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Old 11-09-2007, 12:32 PM
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I never ever fold this. It's a one BB mistake (not even that) and folding the best hand here is just a disaster.

Plus an observant opponents might make a similar play at you in the future which you don't want if you keep folding here.

Furthermore I don't raise the flop.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:08 PM
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Plus an observant opponents might make a similar play at you in the future which you don't want if you keep folding here.

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This is a really overrated concept, IMO. If you fold here everyone is just gonna assume you were FOS and if you make these big folds once every 20K hands, this situation isn't all that likely to come up again against players who witnessed this hand anyway.

That said I don't fold here, but kudos to OP if he did and was right.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:29 PM
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Don't like the flop raise, the river fold has to be close getting these odds, but it's not a fold I'd make. I think BB will bluff the river [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] often enough to make this a call.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:57 PM
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You should claim that your cat jumped on your keyboard...
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:04 PM
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I cant see anybody outright bluffing into a 25BB pot into 2 people and thinking it will be profitable in the long run. Both players are almost never folding here...especially not enough to make the bluff +ev.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:20 PM
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I cant see anybody outright bluffing into a 25BB pot into 2 people and thinking it will be profitable in the long run. Both players are almost never folding here...especially not enough to make the bluff +ev.

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He could be "bluffing" with 2 pair or a set here. You could change the bluff part in your sentence and say "I cannot believe anybody would think [insert retarded play here] would be profitable" about a ton of plays made by bad players at every table I sit at. The thing here is that you have to be insanely sure he has the flush to make this a fold given the odds we're getting on a call. I don't think I've ever been this sure about an opponents play and there's pretty much always more than a 4% chance of someone making a weirdo play. That said I don't think this fold is anywhere near unforgivable. I just think it's close and that I'd call.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:25 PM
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Ok I guess I needed clarification of what you meant by bluffing.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:26 PM
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Yeah, my bad.
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