25 NL flopped straight and flush draw, tough turn decision - Page 2

jessyj07 · #11 07-09-2007, 11:20 AM

The post I quoted said you'd push the turn. The turn is all I was referring to.

If I played the hand I'd raise preflop and as played be happy to get AI on the flop.

relativity_x · #12 07-09-2007, 11:28 AM

pushing the turn is terrible. You either call/fold the turn

The mistake is not pushing the flop.

SirFelixCat · #13 07-09-2007, 11:30 AM

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The post I quoted said you'd push the turn. The turn is all I was referring to.

If I played the hand I'd raise preflop and as played be happy to get AI on the flop.

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Ah, my bad. I'm tired and meant to go to bed 4 hours ago. Insomnia is a bitch...that said, yes, pushing the flop is bad...not sure what I was thinking there, disregard and blame my lack of sleep, fair? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

relativity_x · #14 07-09-2007, 11:33 AM

wow.....pushing the flop is great. Pushing the turn is terrible. You really need the sleep felix. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

SirFelixCat · #15 07-09-2007, 11:37 AM

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wow.....pushing the flop is great. Pushing the turn is terrible. You really need the sleep felix. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm supposed to be at work in 5 hours...yeah, probably NOT going to happen now.

C'est la vie! God Bless sick time, eh? I'm just glad I have the discipline to not play right now, in this state [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Unknown Soldier · #16 07-09-2007, 11:43 AM

anything but calling the turn is really bad

relativity_x · #17 07-09-2007, 01:01 PM

well, you're not getting the "direct" pot odds to call on the turn. So if you do call you're making a -EV play unless you think you can get paid off on the river. The only reasonable plays are to call/fold imo.

It really depends on what your implied odds are.

jessyj07 · #18 07-09-2007, 01:04 PM

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well, you're not getting the "direct" pot odds to call on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]15 outs = needing 2.07:1 to call...pot odds are 2.66:1. Pot odds make this an easy call and there are obvious implied odds.

winnnar · #19 07-09-2007, 06:25 PM

thanks guys, great feedback really appreciate it. as many posters have said, raise PF and shove the flop would've been my best course of action and I realize that now.