NL1: KK vs Nit

anacrime · #1 01-12-2007, 10:05 PM

This guy seems pretty nitty. He's been about 11/11/5 after ~100 hands. Very small sample but that's all I got. He saw me 3 bet/call push with KK against AA 4 hands eariler.

My biggest question is whether or not calling here is ok. I'm not folding b/c I have been running about 33/26 and been stealing a lot. I felt like pushing allows him to fold QQ/AK fairly easily.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($54.60)
CO ($112.70)
Button ($180.75)
Hero ($130.20)
BB ($21.70)
UTG ($128.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, Button raises to $38, Hero calls $26.

Flop: ($77) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $142.75 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $219.75 

Now thoughts about this? He instapushed btw.

Claunchy · #2 01-12-2007, 10:08 PM

Shove preflop. He's not *that* nitty, so AK is a huge part of his range.

Flop is an easy fold.

snakekilla88 · #3 01-12-2007, 10:10 PM

Push preflop. As played fine.

Stealthy · #4 01-12-2007, 10:20 PM

Am I the only person who NEVER shoves pre-flop in these spots. Come on guys when a total nit 4 bets you pre WTF do you think he has? I am pretty certain that I have never been 4 bet against this type of player and not been shown AA or KK; and as we have KK ourself you do the math.

Not saying I ever fold pre in these cases as I am alergic to folding KK pre and have never done so, but I am doing all I can to save some chips before my fears are confirmed.

I am talking abnout when the 4 bet is a small raise rather than a shove BTW.

JReezy · #5 01-12-2007, 10:33 PM

im not usually shoving here either. as an aside, whats everyones general play when someone 3bets you and you're holding AA/KK? Calling to try and get it on on the flop or 4betting pre?

Wheatsauce · #6 01-12-2007, 10:38 PM

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Am I the only person who NEVER shoves pre-flop in these spots. Come on guys when a total nit 4 bets you pre WTF do you think he has? I am pretty certain that I have never been 4 bet against this type of player and not been shown AA or KK; and as we have KK ourself you do the math.

Not saying I ever fold pre in these cases as I am alergic to folding KK pre and have never done so, but I am doing all I can to save some chips before my fears are confirmed.

I am talking abnout when the 4 bet is a small raise rather than a shove BTW.

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So you call in these spots for set value, along with getting no more money out of AK unless you are beat or the case K comes? Maybe I am misunderstanding.

Seems to me this is a push or fold spot unless you are slowplaying and looking to trap him on the flop, which I think was OP's plan until the flop refused to cooperate.

To OP...I shove pf/fold flop as played.

Stealthy · #7 01-12-2007, 10:50 PM

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Am I the only person who NEVER shoves pre-flop in these spots. Come on guys when a total nit 4 bets you pre WTF do you think he has? I am pretty certain that I have never been 4 bet against this type of player and not been shown AA or KK; and as we have KK ourself you do the math.

Not saying I ever fold pre in these cases as I am alergic to folding KK pre and have never done so, but I am doing all I can to save some chips before my fears are confirmed.

I am talking abnout when the 4 bet is a small raise rather than a shove BTW.

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So you call in these spots for set value, along with getting no more money out of AK unless you are beat or the case K comes? Maybe I am misunderstanding.

Seems to me this is a push or fold spot unless you are slowplaying and looking to trap him on the flop, which I think was OP's plan until the flop refused to cooperate.

To OP...I shove pf/fold flop as played.

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I am not saying I play them well in these spots in a purely EV sense. It is more like "I know you have aces but I have KK and cannot fold them pre-flop or I will get laughed off the forums!"

I have folded them on the flop before on non ace flops but often just try and show them down without my whole stack being in. Then once I have 75% of my stack missing by showdown and I get shown AA it is "yep knew you had that but am too stubborn to get away from my obvious 2nd best hand".

Not good poker by any stretch but a $ saved is a $ earnt. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

jk3a · #8 01-12-2007, 10:56 PM

nh, i play it the same