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Old 11-23-2007, 12:21 PM
jenson jenson is offline
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Default NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

Less than an orbit with Villain, no reads.

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Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $335.60
UTG+1: $413.70
UTG+2: $464.10
MP1: $386
MP2: $298.60
CO: $142.15
BTN: $412.90
SB: $381.50
BB: $462

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, UTG+1 calls $16, UTG+2 calls $16, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $16, 4 folds

Flop: ($70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $45</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $90</font>, Hero calls $45

Turn: ($250) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $96</font>, Hero folds

Results: $250 Pot ($3 Rake)
MP2 mucked and WON $247 (+$141 NET)
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:38 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

I think you should raise the flop or fold it. Calling is worsest option imo.

And what I would do? I really can't give any good advice here. The flop is so dry and because I think its fold. But the raise is so small and folding looks so weakish and nittish. I don't know.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

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Calling is worsest option imo.

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U sure about this?

I think folding or calling on the flop is best. Can AJ, KJ, QJ call a reraise on this flop? If I raise, I think I drive them out. Calling keeps them in the hand. On the other hand, with so many preflop callers I may already be beat by so I think folding is surely justified here. I'm just not ready to give up this pot for a min-raise.

Lastly, calling his flop raise helps me at least try to keep some semblance of pot control.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

But lets say, turn is totally blank and he bets. What is your plan now?
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

whats the problem with just sticking it in on the flop? guy only has 75 BB and is an unknown.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

Reads on villain would really make this easier to play. By calling his flop raise, I'm in a tough spot on the turn either way. I realize this, but I think it's better than re-raising preflop as that allows him to play perfectly against me.

With a blank turn, I can either lead/fold or check/call. If I lead turn for a 2/3 pot size bet and get raised I can fold comfortably knowing that I'm beat. The problem with that is he doesn't have too much behind so a lead/fold is pretty bad I here. So... a blank turn and I probably check/call this hand down. I lose to flopped set and win from AJ, KJ, QJ.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

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whats the problem with just sticking it in on the flop? guy only has 75 BB and is an unknown.

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If he were the only pre-flop caller, then I feel good getting it in here vs his medium stack. With three pre-flop callers I need to give him more credit for a hand.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

Being out of position really damages your situation in this hand, imo.

The flop call looks fine, but I'd like to know what your plan is on a blank turn (like a 7). c/r-ai? The stack sizes are such that this seems to be best. Shoving the flop isn't that terrible, either, but it's a little premature for my taste.

All in all, this line seems reasonable. You're losing often enough to not bother committing the rest of the effective stack on that turn card, which is what his turn bet basically does.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

Against a 75BB stack and an SPR &lt; 5, I stick it in on the flop all day, unless I have a read that the villain is really passive/nitty.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: NL400: I fold AA for less than a PSP

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Against a 75BB stack and an SPR &lt; 5, I stick it in on the flop all day, unless I have a read that the villain is really passive/nitty.

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Yeah, it's kind of borderline here but I think this is one of those occaisions where I discount the good SPR for my AA.

Here's why:
1.) Four players saw the flop.
2.) Villain is not likely on a draw. There is only one draw and it's unlikey 3,5.
3.) Villain is unkown. I find it is better to give unkowns more credit at NL400 than I do at lower levels. Anyone disagree?
4.) Pushing his flop raise allows him to play perfectly against me.
5.) I've already raised UTG and bet the flop into three players. I'm saying I have a high pair and he's not backing down.

All and all I think check/call is a more profitable line if the turn and river blank.
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