First medium stacks hand post- holla!

delta k · #1 08-19-2006, 07:10 PM

My first session at 200NL, yay! Villain is 45/15/4 over about 50, which is why i thought calling the flop raise was ok. I was planning on folding to a turn bet since I didn't want to play for stacks here, however maybe that's a mistake and I should have called a turn bet. I thougt about blocking river but decided I'd just call a bet. Is this ok? Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($277.80)
SB ($249.65)
BB ($73)
Hero ($200)
MP ($223.20)
CO ($418.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $8, MP calls $8, CO calls $8, 3 folds.

Flop: ($27) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $20, MP folds, CO raises to $60, Hero calls $40.

Turn: ($147) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($147) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $80, Hero calls $80.

Final Pot: $307

T-God · #2 08-19-2006, 07:26 PM

You should valuebet that river as played

delta k · #3 08-19-2006, 07:28 PM

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You should valuebet that river as played

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would you suggest different flop/turn line?

why is bet/fold better than c/c on this river?

Gugel · #4 08-19-2006, 08:32 PM

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You should valuebet that river as played

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What is he calling a valuebet here with that you beat?

Gugel · #5 08-19-2006, 08:35 PM

I don't like the call on the flop. I think I would fold and find a better opportunity to take this guy out. The pot size has grown to a point where he is in control and can easily get you all-in if he wanted to.

Let's say he donkbets $60 into a $150 pot. Are you really going to fold after you called a $40 raise on the flop?

CTKid · #6 08-19-2006, 09:21 PM

I think your line is fine. IMO c/c river is definitely correct, since he was repping a hand that beats yours (QQ+ or a J) on flop, and nothing has really changed. So either he's bluffing, and may fire again, or you're beat. A v-bet here only saves him a possible bluff bet.

FBP · #7 08-19-2006, 09:24 PM

Even against a 45/15 I don't like calling flop, especially if you're planning to fold turn bet.

As played i don't see what you beat, vilain 'usually' check the 9 on river, QT/T8 is likely to bet, overpairs too, i don't think the river call is good. Wrong?
I don't consider pure bluff to be likely here, maybe, just maybe, some donkey who thinks you missed and feels like raising underPP. Not sure how often they bet river though.

CTKid · #8 08-19-2006, 09:30 PM

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Even against a 45/15 I don't like calling flop, especially if you're planning to fold turn bet.

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meh, I could be convinced either way. 45/15 obv. isn't all that meaningful by itself. OP: Do we have a read on how villain plays post flop? I mean there are a lot of players who could run at 45/15 over 50 hands that are actually fairly tight postflop.

I completely agree, however, that folding here can never be a *big* mistake, but calling certainly can.

KingGordy · #9 08-19-2006, 10:06 PM

Wow give up on the flop fast. You are so screwed here 95% of the time. As played don't VB the river. Probably c/f.

FGators · #10 08-19-2006, 10:09 PM

What the hell is going on here?

Why the loose advice? I would fold the flop. As played I would fold the river. Why would this guy bet a 9 there?

Q10 is possibly valuebetting the river and if he has a J, he obv. has us.

This is a bad river call.