Middle set vs aggro opponent on the bubble

automat · #1 09-28-2007, 01:31 PM

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Tournament
Blinds: t400/t800
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t800 (pot was t1200), CO calls t800 (pot was t2000), hero calls t800 (pot was t2800), SB calls t400 (pot was t3600), BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t4000, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, hero bets t3200, SB calls t3200 (pot was t7200), BB folds, UTG+1 calls t3200 (pot was t10400), CO folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t13600, 3 players)
SB bets t13600, Hero?

Villain check-raised me some hands before on a dry flop and I insta-folded (air). He seemed pretty aggressive overall so a flush draw might be part of his range for that donk-bet. On the other hand, we´re both pretty deep (40++ bb) and there´s only one player left to go on the bubble so he probably wouldn´t do that on a flush draw alone. Still, there´s only one hand I don´t beat.

What´s the correct way to play this?

beset · #2 09-28-2007, 01:34 PM

are the stack sizes here and i just can't see them?

automat · #3 09-28-2007, 01:38 PM

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are the stack sizes here and i just can't see them?

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I had him covered.

Stacks were 33000/26000 so he basically can´t/won´t fold if I put him all-in.

JJBuffone · #4 09-28-2007, 01:58 PM

If he won't fold then put him all-in. You are definitely ahead right here.

beset · #5 09-28-2007, 02:39 PM

Its go time here I can't really see folding

Elrazor · #6 09-28-2007, 02:42 PM

i just dont see him having AAxx here if hes an agro villan - he didnt bet from the SB pre, and then checked the flop, refusing to re-raise when given the oppertunity.

if you want to win these things you need to get your money in situations like these - i see him having AJ and 77 as often as AA here, and thats discounting all the possible draws - even if hes got AAxx you still have 5 outs and you have him covered so you're not out

the only reason i would fold here would be if i had a big chip lead and was running all over the medium stacks on the bubble, and by losing my stack i would be losing that edge.

automat · #7 09-29-2007, 05:24 AM

needless to say, he HAD aces. i didn´t even think about that when the turn came and hence shoved instantly. nice setup i guess.

with hindsight, that turn bet after a flat call on the flop seems to scream uber strength. he probably would have gotten all my money anyway - even after a check-raise on the flop -, but i should´ve been warned once a usually aggro player gets tricky, only calls a flop bet and then actually commits himself to the hand on a turn that cannot have improved his hand in any kind of way. seems like he just wanted to see a safe turn to put all his money in.

still not sure wether there´s any way to get away from that hand after the flop.

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Tournament
Blinds: t400/t800
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t68900
UTG+1: t34951
CO: t14830
hero: t33103
SB: t26051
BB: t45525

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t800 (pot was t1200), CO calls t800 (pot was t2000), hero calls t800 (pot was t2800), SB calls t400 (pot was t3600), BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t4000, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, hero bets t3200, SB calls t3200 (pot was t7200), BB folds, UTG+1 calls t3200 (pot was t10400), CO folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t13600, 3 players)
SB bets t13600, UTG+1 folds, hero raises to t27200, SB calls all-in t8451.
Uncalled bets: t5149 returned to hero.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t57702, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t57702)

Results:
Final pot: t57702

Elrazor · #8 09-29-2007, 05:35 AM

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still not sure wether there´s any way to get away from that hand after the flop.

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with these stack sizes you are losing a ton of value if you are folding second nuts in these spots