Dateline NBC "to catch a predator", possible entrapment?

[NicksDad1970]

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wtf, how is that entrapment? The decoys make sure the mark knows they're incredibly under age.

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What does this have to do with entrapment? To show entrapment, the defendent has to show that they wouldn't have done what they did if it weren't for the officer's actions.

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..and why doesnt that apply here?

and did they ever really commit a crime?

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If one tries to hire someone to commit a murder, does anyone have to be killed for it to be a crime?

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nope

I believe it's called conspiracy to commit

[otnemem]

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wtf, how is that entrapment? The decoys make sure the mark knows they're incredibly under age.

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What does this have to do with entrapment? To show entrapment, the defendent has to show that they wouldn't have done what they did if it weren't for the officer's actions.

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..and why doesnt that apply here?

and did they ever really commit a crime?

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If one tries to hire someone to commit a murder, does anyone have to be killed for it to be a crime?

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nope

I believe it's called conspiracy to commit

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I think that was the point.

[luckyjimm]

Even from five feet away I could see the girls on the sites he was looking at were pubescent or pre-pubescent.

I thought it was tangenically related to this thread since it's in some ways a similar crime, in other ways different. It isn't a 'contact' offence, the men are not directly responsible for the pictures existing, and they may have been taken years earlier. From what I gather, the sites involve nudity, not sexual activity.

I believe the sites this guy was looking at largely exist because of economic inequality: criminal gangs in the former Soviet Union pay young teens and preteens to pose naked, and sell the pictures to Americans via their credit cards. They are in effect consuming poverty, and showing the power of their dollar; it is another form of third world sex tourism.

I really don't know whether these people are more or less dangerous than the people on TCAP. I suspect less so, but it depends how passive their involvement is. And it's a much more difficult problem to crack than predators in chatrooms since it's economic in origin.

[otnemem]

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Even from five feet away I could see the girls on the sites he was looking at were pubescent or pre-pubescent.

I thought it was tangenically related to this thread since it's in some ways a similar crime, in other ways different. It isn't a 'contact' offence, the men are not directly responsible for the pictures existing, and they may have been taken years earlier. From what I gather, the sites involve nudity, not sexual activity.

I believe the sites this guy was looking at largely exist because of economic inequality: criminal gangs in the former Soviet Union pay young teens and preteens to pose naked, and sell the pictures to Americans via their credit cards. They are in effect consuming poverty, and showing the power of their dollar; it is another form of third world sex tourism.

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I believe the illegality in owning such images is tied to a sort of "contribution" to harming a minor. A minor was harmed taking the pictures, the pictures are taken for your pleasure, thus your pleasure contributes to the harm of the minor. I believe that's the thinking behind the prosecution of child pornography.

[luckyjimm]

Coincidentally, this is the lead story on BBC News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6763817.stm

Actually I can see how a guy like that is A LOT more dangerous & does a lot more evil than some loser on TCAP. And a heck of a lot harder to catch.

[suzzer99]

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Coincidentally, this is the lead story on BBC News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6763817.stm

Actually I can see how a guy like that is A LOT more dangerous & does a lot more evil than some loser on TCAP. And a heck of a lot harder to catch.

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Yeah I like how the chat room he ran is called "Kids the Light of Our Lives" and his handle is "Son of God". That's some really really scary stuff. There is absolutely no chance that dude will go clean if he's ever let out of jail - which I bet he will be at some point.

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Coincidentally, this is the lead story on BBC News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6763817.stm

Actually I can see how a guy like that is A LOT more dangerous & does a lot more evil than some loser on TCAP. And a heck of a lot harder to catch.

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Well, no [censored]. And murderers are more dangerous than thieves. Should we stop prosecuting thieves? I really don't understand your point.

[NicksDad1970]

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wtf, how is that entrapment? The decoys make sure the mark knows they're incredibly under age.

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What does this have to do with entrapment? To show entrapment, the defendent has to show that they wouldn't have done what they did if it weren't for the officer's actions.

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..and why doesnt that apply here?

and did they ever really commit a crime?

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If one tries to hire someone to commit a murder, does anyone have to be killed for it to be a crime?

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nope

I believe it's called conspiracy to commit

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I think that was the point.

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roger dodger.... I can't think when I'm at werkie

[luckyjimm]

No, but a hysterial media stops us from being able to distinguish between different types of offender and patterns of behaviour. Not all these people are equally bad; they stretch from passively amoral to actively immoral. There is immense variety in the risk they pose, the harm they're doing and the punishment they should receive.

By the way, have you noticed how everyone's forgiven Pete Townsend of The Who? It's almost like the collective need for him as a rock icon from our pasts led us to accept and not question too deeply his "troubled" nature.

[suzzer99]

I believe Pete Townsend was on a decade-long top secret fact finding mission.