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Old 09-09-2007, 02:13 PM
stuartharris stuartharris is offline
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Default C-bet drought

First, a confession. I've been short-stacking for most of the last 4 months. Doing so, I was able to play at higher levels than I should have been playing and turned $50 into $550 in a little over 2 months. I've been in freefall for most of the last 6 weeks and have finally had to admit that always been short stacked both limits my options and is keeping me from learning to play poker. So I'm dropping way down and playing big-stack poker for lower stakes. With all of that as a backdrop, I was still amazed when I found this last night. This is a graph of what happens when I c-bet on the flop:


What does this mean?

Is it just a natural correction, where both my good run and bad represent small samples?

Is it evidence that NL10 and NL25 players have no idea what to do against a cbet, but NL100 players do?

Is it evidence that my stats caught up with me? that, at NL50 and NL100, there are more regulars who are likely to observe what I'm up to?
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Old 09-09-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

am I reading the graph right and you have only played 600hands
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Old 09-09-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

I am not sure i think he is saying that graph is only hands he Cbet?
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Old 09-09-2007, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

That's correct . . . these are 600 hands where I've c-bet the flop.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

how do you make that graph?
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Old 09-10-2007, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

I don't know that your results are evidence of anything, given the sample size (though I think it's a great thing to track on an ongoing basis), but I think players at higher limits, even NL100, are more willing to fight cbets than the passive fit-or-fold fish at lower limits. Whether it's people calling you with better hands, more floating, or a greater number of bluffs/semi-bluffs, you're going to have to fight harder for pots at higher limits.
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:51 AM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

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how do you make that graph?

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I'm curious too.

Players at lower limits are much more likely to call to see and a flop and fold to aggression unless it hits them both b/c they are less adept at dealing with aggression, and because they are more likely to make loose calls preflop that will inherently be strong after the flop less often.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:09 AM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

I've found cbets are really opponent dependent.

A lot of micro players fold to cbets almost all of the time when they don't like the flop regardless of their position.

At least at 50NL, some players will float in position and fold OOP and some will call no matter what, etc.

I'm really happy that PAHUD has cbet stats in the popup menu so I can get a feel for how an opponent plays against cbets.


At 10NL and 25NL, I feel the cbet is the biggest money-making weapon a player can have.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: C-bet drought

The graph was made using Poker Prospector, which I'm using as my database. I don't know whether PokerTracker can do this or not.
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