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#11
09-07-2007, 03:37 AM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
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i think if he puts in another raise somewhere you lose but you have enough hand that you want 2 more bets going in (especially since you just showed that bluff). i'd call the turn 3-bet, make sure i don't get counterfeit on the river and c/r again. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#12
09-07-2007, 04:15 AM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
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Gas. I mean, do you really need to call anymore if he freaking 5-bets? [/ QUOTE ] George, I know what you're saying - the interesting thing about this hand is that his range is polarized to hands that I am drawing dead against and hands I am pretty far ahead of. I agree with what Clark said above, if I am going to continue 4 betting makes a lot more sense than potentially missing two bets if he does take a free showdown with AQ or an overpair (definitely a possibility from a passive live player). In the end I decided to 4 bet and fold to a 5 bet, but he just called, whew. River paired the 4 so I had a full house and I bet and he immediately raised! WTF? Now what? -DeathDonkey
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#14
09-07-2007, 06:03 AM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
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In the end I decided to 4 bet and fold to a 5 bet, but he just called, whew. River paired the 4 so I had a full house and I bet and he immediately raised! WTF? Now what? [/ QUOTE ] I'd 3-bet and expect to get called by AA-KK. Not sure on what level this guy is thinking, but I would imagine that now he thinks he can beat QT and goes aheads and raises for value. If he plays straightforward as you say I'd think he'd 5-bet QQ and TT on the turn. If he 4-bets you're dead a very high % of the time, but folding full houses in big pots for one more bet is not something we do often in limit so I'd pay off just in case he's doing something crazy because of your prior shown bluff.
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#15
09-07-2007, 09:34 AM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
3-bet, and never consider folding, i would go 5 before folding - given board texture villain should keep playing back with a set on the turn... but i'd probably just call a 4-ball... A4s/KK/AA make sense here depending on the two tone flop, but maybe he shows up with TT enough to make this suck
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#16
09-07-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
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River paired the 4 so I had a full house and I bet and he immediately raised! WTF? Now what? [/ QUOTE ] EDIT: I would just call.
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#17
09-07-2007, 10:54 AM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
I don't think his range is really larger then AA, KK, AQ, TT, QQ. I can't imagine he raised on the BB PF with 66 44,QT (maybe he is on a fancy play with QT's),Q6, Q4, T6, T4.
Maybe i'm retarded but Imo you have to 4bet the turn and (even if it seems weak) c/c the majority of the river because so many cards can hurt you there if he was 3betting the turn lightly.
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#18
09-07-2007, 04:49 PM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
"River paired the 4 so I had a full house and I bet and he immediately raised! WTF? Now what?"
you absolutely have a crying call here. I do not understand how people think this guy is capable of going 7 bets on the big streets with just an overpair. Even lags would have trouble doing that.
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#20
09-07-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: Live 75/150 bottom two
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"River paired the 4 so I had a full house and I bet and he immediately raised! WTF? Now what?" you absolutely have a crying call here. I do not understand how people think this guy is capable of going 7 bets on the big streets with just an overpair. Even lags would have trouble doing that. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed.
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