Top set facing shuv on straight board?

[sightless]

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On a side note, these arent SNG's

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People bluff like that in SNG's?

[Hebel]

absolutely, all the time, esp. on boards like akqj and the like. ive seen people get called ridic thin because of it, sometimes theyre right and sometimes they arent.

[elstunar]

the only problem i have is that if i'm villain, why the hell would i open shove overbet on the turn if i have a 6?

[SDone]

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the only problem i have is that if i'm villain, why the hell would i open shove overbet on the turn if i have a 6?

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Because you're (he's) a bad player?

[toddxlogan]

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the only problem i have is that if i'm villain, why the hell would i open shove overbet anything ever?

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Answer: because you (he) sucks, basically (unless you have signifiacant history such to warrant metagame/yadda yaddda). Often player is afraid of getting drawn out by a flush, or knows that "nobody folds aces" postflop, or whatever. Doesn't matter.

[Jamougha]

I would call and feel pretty good about it.

[finalboarder]

Here are the pokerstove results for a couple of possible hands that have sixes in them.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,112 games 0.001 secs 2,112,000 games/sec

Board: 7d 4c 5h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.574% 21.59% 02.98% 456 63.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 75.426% 72.44% 02.98% 1530 63.00 { 66, A6s, 76s, 65s }

I am not sure how the math works out but he needs to be bluffing a really high percentage of the time for this to be a call right? Like 50% of the time he's bluffing?

[Chomp]

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What do you mean very insightful? You want me to teach you hand rankings?

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Profish, one-line answers are frowned upon in strat threads - you should know this - so OP is perfectly correct to call you out on it.

On top of that, the best poster to reply in this thread disagrees with your view of the hand, so perhaps a bit more humility on your part mightn't go amiss.

[matrix]

wtf with all these "fold"s ????

call this all day and twice on days ending with y.

Pot is paying 3:1 - if we put him on 6x we STILL have ~13 outs to improve so win this 25% of the time.

Add in all the lower sets he can have and OP hands like TT+ and this is call with double fistpump time.

Folding here is *horrible*

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I am not sure how the math works out but he needs to be bluffing a really high percentage of the time for this to be a call right? Like 50% of the time he's bluffing?

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Yes but lots of the time he's VBetting AA or KK or 55 and stuff and we have him crushed drawing dead or to ONE out.

your equity looks more like:

Board: 7d 4c 5h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.772% 59.80% 03.97% 1763 117.00 { 8h8s }
Hand 1: 36.228% 32.26% 03.97% 951 117.00 { TT+, 77-44, A6s, 76s, 65s, A6o }


and this range assumes he is NEVER bluffing.

callcallcallcallcallcallcallcall *fistpump* callcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcall *dance jig*

whatever you do - don't fold.

[Profish2285]

I apologize it was a long day yesterday. First of all, the pot is not laying 3 to 1 unless I am really losing it, he overbet 44 into a 20 pot. So that is what, 44 to win 64, whatever that is. Youre telling me with those odds we arent seeing a straight much more often than not? This seems like a really hopeful call at best.