2/4 - midpair, turns openended str8 - 200xbb

[Gimli_]

Villian is TAG, 24/18/3.2

Im TAG, I have been playing solid.


2 folds, CO raise $16, I call in BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check/call $24

~$80 Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
check, he bets $65, hero?


What if the board was

Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ?

or

Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[cbboy]

Fold PF.

[ArturiusX]

Stacks are pretty important here.

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Fold PF.

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No way.

[cbboy]

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Stacks are pretty important here.

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Fold PF.

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No way.

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LOL! Why not? We have a drawing hand OOP. Its difficult to play OOP without the initiative. We get into spots like this often. So, why call?

[Chaser8]

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Fold PF.

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Assuming full stacks, I lean towards either folding or 3betting from BB. I hate playing suited connectors oop.

In regards to the OP's question, if there's even a 2-flush by the turn, I'm not going to chase a straight.

[ArturiusX]

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LOL! Why not? We have a drawing hand OOP. Its difficult to play OOP without the initiative. We get into spots like this often. So, why call?

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Yeah this is such a sick spot.

Overall, his opening range from the CO is pretty wide here. If you can fire off a few c/r bluffs, I can't see why its not profitable to play this hand. I doubt anyone who folds here could have a VPIP above 18.

[bustowithnobra]

A. Bet flop.
B. Bet turn.
C. If you do neither of these, at least try to make a read on the turn, and either raise or fold, but don't call. Since its deep Id lean towards fold.
D. If there is a flush draw on turn, or 3 to flush, definately more of a fold here. Straight outs are confiscated, and your way behind a lot of villains range.
E. If you don't want to be pushed off these hands, connectors OOP, then you need to bet them or check raise them.

[Gimli_]

[b] stacks: $800 (200xbb)

[bustowithnobra]

then check raise the turn if you want, if you think it will work. just dont call.

[Gimli_]

Why should I bet flop?