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#12
11-26-2007, 12:40 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
Should I check with the intention of calling or lead and try to take the pot down? I don't think i'm folding a better overpair (JJ-TT) with one barrel though, and I think it'd be spew to fire two streets just to fold out these hands.
Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter SB: $124.92 BB: $115.42 UTG: $22 Hero (CO): $118.58 BTN: $99.15 Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, BTN calls $4, 2 folds Flop: ($9.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $8 Turn: ($41.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks????? 
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#13
11-26-2007, 12:45 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
Honestly, I probably c/f the turn vs. an unknown. If you had a read, all other options would be on the table.
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#14
11-26-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
Pineapple,
but the turn changes nothing no? I was either behind on the flop or i wasn't. Is the fact that if villain raises the flop and bets an overcard he is usually either bluffing or has me beat and because we don't know the frequency of either we skew his range to the latter and let the hand go?
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#15
11-26-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
Pretty interesting hand but having no reads makes it tough. I don't really like 3-betting the flop for over 40% of our stack and then folding, but I must admit it has some merits.
On the turn I'm likely checking. We're almost never getting a better hand to fold even if we bet both turn and river. Bet/folding the turn for about 30 is slightly better than 3-bet/folding the flop imo. After checking the turn I don't think I can fold. We're still only behind set/65 and if villain has some combodraw (54/67 etc), 4x or pure air I think he'll fire this turn alot so I'm considering a crai. I'm torn on both the flop and turn in this hand though.
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#16
11-26-2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
I'd fold the flop sometimes, just because it's so hard to continue OOP against an unknown here.
If I'm continuing, I call and CRAI on turns like this (folding on A, 2, 4, 5, and 6).
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#17
11-26-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
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If I'm continuing, I call and CRAI on turns like this (folding on A, 2, 4, 5, and 6). [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a decent plan and I add fold on a 7.
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#18
11-26-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
What is the guys range on the flop?
34,56,78,67,33-66,77,88 + a bluff on a perceived c-bet. I’m good against everything except a set and two pair, and I have a decent redraw against the two pair. Is it really horrible to 3bet and stack off on the flop at 100NL? 3betting and calling a shove was my first thought on this hand. I think I do that, or fold. Calling and trying to play the rest of the hand oop is basically just putting yourself in a worse spot, imo
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#19
11-26-2007, 02:08 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
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Pineapple, but the turn changes nothing no? I was either behind on the flop or i wasn't. Is the fact that if villain raises the flop and bets an overcard he is usually either bluffing or has me beat and because we don't know the frequency of either we skew his range to the latter and let the hand go? [/ QUOTE ] Again, he doesn't know that the turn changes nothing. He doesn't know what you have, and whether he is ahead or behind. Maybe he's happy to just draw if he's drawing, or to get to showdown. So if he bets, I just go ahead and give him credit for something that beats me. Not every hand has to be played for stacks.
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#20
11-26-2007, 02:36 PM
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Re: Getting mini raised on the flop with a vulnerable hand
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[ QUOTE ] If I'm continuing, I call and CRAI on turns like this (folding on A, 2, 4, 5, and 6). [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a decent plan and I add fold on a 7. [/ QUOTE ] Problem with this line is that it virtually forces him to play perfectly against you, unless you think you can get an unknown off TT+, which I don't. Which isn't necessarily a fatal problem, but it does mean you better be real confident he's firing again with a bunch of worse hands. And I don't really see how you can have that read here.
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