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Old 11-08-2007, 01:48 PM
joseki joseki is offline
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Default 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

MP had tagish stats over few hands...

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UTG ($28.25)
MP ($37.05)
Button ($43.55)
Hero ($24.40)
BB ($8.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($6.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, MP calls $4.50.

Turn: ($15.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($15.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

check/fold?

You're behind every legitimate hand he can hold:
TT+,AT+,KT+,QT+

And i'm not sure if he holds AT/QT vs AK/AQ/KQ enough of the time that he'll consider folding to a bet.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

Well, I just did it to myself again...

CO is 16/12/4 (556 hands)
Button 25/6/14 (67 hands)
BB is pretty new, but has cold called then folded twice

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UTG ($40.80)
MP ($26.50)
CO ($32.55)
Button ($24.80)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($26.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $0.85</font>, Button calls $0.85, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.75</font>, BB calls $3.40, CO folds, Button calls $2.80.

Flop: ($11.90) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero ???
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

This second hand is WAY different than the first and I'm betting this one.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

Is 3-betting 99 standard?

It seems like a light hand to be going to war with, and I'd be constantly terrified of a bigger overpair.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

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check/fold?

You're behind every legitimate hand he can hold:
TT+,AT+,KT+,QT+

And i'm not sure if he holds AT/QT vs AK/AQ/KQ enough of the time that he'll consider folding to a bet.

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Yeh, I check/folded. What about the rest of the hand leading up to that?

preflop: could call and play for set value or carefully w/ one pair, but we often will win his raise right there, and often have the best hand, etc.

flop: sucks, but I felt compelled to chase any fold equity, you c-bet here?

turn: yeh, c/f, I guess.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

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Is 3-betting 99 standard?

It seems like a light hand to be going to war with, and I'd be constantly terrified of a bigger overpair.

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I'm not sure, that's most of why I posted these. It seems like we're in good shape against the opening range of most players, and we'll probably pick up a bunch of pots preflop, right?

These postflop situations are probably a good argument against it, but it seemed 'standard' at the time...
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

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This second hand is WAY different than the first and I'm betting this one.

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Could you explain why betting would be good here? I'm not saying that checking is better, just seems like the choices are both bad and checking might cost us less.

If it were HU I bet every time.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

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Is 3-betting 99 standard?

It seems like a light hand to be going to war with, and I'd be constantly terrified of a bigger overpair.

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I'm not sure, that's most of why I posted these. It seems like we're in good shape against the opening range of most players, and we'll probably pick up a bunch of pots preflop, right?

These postflop situations are probably a good argument against it, but it seemed 'standard' at the time...

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If you dont not have a plan, cannot adapt your plan, or just play this flop, 3 betting is a bad idea imo
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: 99 HU and OOP...how to avoid the discomfort?

as played give up.

raise more pre to 4. i may c/f this flop OOP.
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