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Fazz86 · #1 09-25-2007, 01:34 PM

Villian is 22.2/17.3/3.8 in about 75 hands. I the 7 orbits hes been at the table he has opened UTG 4 times. Is this a good or bad play by me considering his range.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($68.90)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($92.85)
MP ($59.35)
Hero ($51)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.25.

Flop: ($12.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $35,

orig!naL · #2 09-25-2007, 01:41 PM

I really don't like the 3-bet pre. Villain's stats are pretty solid. You have a hand that has potential to flop well, I really don't see it as a strong PF hand vs. his range.

I would call PF in position and fold on this flop to a bet. I would also fold in a SECOND to his turn bet. What are you thinking here?

Quester · #3 09-25-2007, 02:00 PM

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Villian is 22.2/17.3/3.8 in about 75 hands. I the 7 orbits hes been at the table he has opened UTG 4 times. Is this a good or bad play by me considering his range.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($68.90)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($92.85)
MP ($59.35)
Hero ($51)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.25.

Flop: ($12.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $35,

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It's fine considering his range, but it's terrible considering what he thinks your range should be. Nothing you would 3-bet with preflop has hit. Yes, the turn is a good scare card, but it doesn't help the type of hands that he'll put you on. I think you'll get called here way too often.

cabdo · #4 09-25-2007, 02:03 PM

Why aren't you making a continuation bet on the flop here? He may fold something as good as 99, or 10-10 to a strong bet on the flop, but I doubt he's folding them to your turn bet.

Milky · #5 09-25-2007, 02:52 PM

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Why aren't you making a continuation bet on the flop here? He may fold something as good as 99, or 10-10 to a strong bet on the flop, but I doubt he's folding them to your turn bet.

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I seriously doubt he'd call pf w/99/TT but fold on that flop. I mean, what would be a better flop (besides one with a 9/T)? My guess would be that he calls flop then sees what you do on the turn.

monkeymaps · #6 09-25-2007, 03:37 PM

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Villian is 22.2/17.3/3.8 in about 75 hands. I the 7 orbits hes been at the table he has opened UTG 4 times. Is this a good or bad play by me considering his range.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($68.90)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($92.85)
MP ($59.35)
Hero ($51)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.25.

Flop: ($12.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $35,

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It's fine considering his range, but it's terrible considering what he thinks your range should be. Nothing you would 3-bet with preflop has hit. Yes, the turn is a good scare card, but it doesn't help the type of hands that he'll put you on. I think you'll get called here way too often.

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so OP never 3 bets with 99-AA and bets that flop? I dont get your reasoning.

I dont see how this is a good hand to 3 bet with pre even if he has opened UTG a few times.

As played I think you have to at least fire one bullet here.

Logun · #7 09-25-2007, 03:44 PM

I don't mind the 3 bet PF so much but I hate that you don't c-bet this flop.

Turn play is spew IMO. What 3 bet hand PF would raise this turn? 99 is the only one I can see....

Quester · #8 09-25-2007, 03:56 PM

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so OP never 3 bets with 99-AA and bets that flop? I dont get your reasoning.

I dont see how this is a good hand to 3 bet with pre even if he has opened UTG a few times.

As played I think you have to at least fire one bullet here.

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Well, in the eyes of Villain, why would OP 3-bet PF then check behind on the flop? My point is that if I were villain I would probably look him up.

dirtylobster · #9 09-25-2007, 03:57 PM

I don't mind 3-bet as long as you c-bet the flop. What are you trying to represent on the turn??

It's much easier to fold to a raise if you c-bet this flop instead of say, a J82 flop.

Poker Gestalt · #10 09-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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It's fine considering his range, but it's terrible considering what he thinks your range should be. Nothing you would 3-bet with preflop has hit. Yes, the turn is a good scare card, but it doesn't help the type of hands that he'll put you on. I think you'll get called here way too often.

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