$55 NLTRN 2 very very common spots

[Indiana]

this guy is a little strange and will slow play some hands but for the most part he's ur typical donk...Here are two situations that come up a lot and im not sure how exactly the lines should go:

Spot 1: You're betting along and the donkey is calling along and then the board pairs...is my line good?

PokerStars Game #11579500808: Tournament #58754336, $55.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2007/08/19 - 18:33:59 (ET)
Table '58754336 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Lloyd B (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: Indyguy28 (1430 in chips)
Lloyd B: posts small blind 10
Indyguy28: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Indyguy28 [Ah Tc]
Lloyd B: calls 10
Indyguy28: raises 60 to 80
Lloyd B: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Ts 3d Qs]
Indyguy28: bets 120
Lloyd B: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Ts 3d Qs] [Qh]
Indyguy28: bets 250
Lloyd B: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [Ts 3d Qs Qh] [5h]
Indyguy28: bets 450
Lloyd B: folds
Indyguy28 collected 900 from pot
Indyguy28: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 3d Qs Qh 5h]
Seat 1: Lloyd B (button) (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: Indyguy28 (big blind) collected (900)


Spot 2: Here you have top pair and he's calling down....do u bet the river for value? Here I should have but i got scared taht he had hit something...

PokerStars Game #11579542193: Tournament #58754336, $55.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2007/08/19 - 18:36:15 (ET)
Table '58754336 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Lloyd B (1230 in chips)
Seat 2: Indyguy28 (1770 in chips)
Indyguy28: posts small blind 10
Lloyd B: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Indyguy28 [Ad 8d]
Indyguy28: raises 40 to 60
Lloyd B: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Tc As Qs]
Lloyd B: checks
Indyguy28: bets 90
Lloyd B: calls 90
*** TURN *** [Tc As Qs] [5c]
Lloyd B: checks
Indyguy28: bets 200
Lloyd B: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [Tc As Qs 5c] [6d]
Lloyd B: checks
Indyguy28: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lloyd B: shows [Ts Kc] (a pair of Tens)
Indyguy28: shows [Ad 8d] (a pair of Aces)
Indyguy28 collected 700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Board [Tc As Qs 5c 6d]
Seat 1: Lloyd B (big blind) showed [Ts Kc] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: Indyguy28 (button) (small blind) showed [Ad 8d] and won (700) with a pair of Aces


THanks-Indy

[ChicagoRy]

First one I check and try to catch a bluff.

Second one is close, I generally take the same line but there's room for thin value (sometimes), the higher your kicker the better, but if he's bad enough you can thin value with A8.

[King Of Grind]

second one i always ob the river and let him think you missed a draw... its obv that he was drawing there u shoulda at least vb

[dippy111]

I don't think overbetting really accomplishes anything with that board, especially with an 8 kicker. What is he calling with that doesn't beat hero? Unless villain is ridiculously loose I would just call.

[ChicagoRy]

Overbetting with super strong hands is probably the best play unless you have particular reads against villain. I'd assume Indy did not have these sort of reads against this guy or he would not have posted these two hands.