I'm sick of going broke in the same spots...$11 MTT last night

[Indiana]

So this was one of those $11 buyin deals where the blinds go up fast....I play a wide range of tournies from 10 bucks to 215 buy ins and i always seem to get deep and make a shove to pick up chips and get busted. Here we're at the final 3 tables or so with 1000 starting entrants....I must push here right? My damn M is like 3 right? FWIW i do have a loose image. I have already made a shove on the SB with K5 and a shorty was all in so he saw my cards.



PokerStars Game #11529725639: Tournament #57898227, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/08/17 - 00:05:53 (ET)
Table '57898227 48' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: fitzinabox (47661 in chips)
Seat 4: 3webz (47996 in chips)
Seat 5: JDIESEL9794 (27904 in chips)
Seat 6: WhyWeigh? (39352 in chips)
Seat 7: FrankomaPuma (47597 in chips)
Seat 8: Indyguy28 (27161 in chips)
Seat 9: papa cowboy (48210 in chips)
fitzinabox: posts the ante 400
3webz: posts the ante 400
JDIESEL9794: posts the ante 400
WhyWeigh?: posts the ante 400
FrankomaPuma: posts the ante 400
Indyguy28: posts the ante 400
papa cowboy: posts the ante 400
papa cowboy: posts small blind 2000
fitzinabox: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Indyguy28 [5d 3d]
3webz: folds
JDIESEL9794: folds
WhyWeigh?: folds
FrankomaPuma: folds
Indyguy28: raises 22761 to 26761 and is all-in
papa cowboy: folds
fitzinabox: calls 22761
*** FLOP *** [Jc Qh Qs]
*** TURN *** [Jc Qh Qs] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Qh Qs 2c] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fitzinabox: shows [Kc Tc] (a pair of Queens)
Indyguy28: shows [5d 3d] (a pair of Queens - lower kicker)
fitzinabox collected 58322 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 58322 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Qh Qs 2c 6h]
Seat 1: fitzinabox (big blind) showed [Kc Tc] and won (58322) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: 3webz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JDIESEL9794 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WhyWeigh? folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FrankomaPuma folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Indyguy28 (button) showed [5d 3d] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: papa cowboy (small blind) folded before Flop

Seems fine unless you're already viewed as a push-happy monkey. Don't be results-oriented, man.

[Indiana]

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Seems fine unless you're already viewed as a push-happy monkey. Don't be results-oriented, man.

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Kramer thanks man i respect your opinions as you are a strong poster ...i really enjoyed your series of getting into the WSOP mindset and read them all....Just one question...Even if I'm a little laggy in my image I just cannot pass here right? There is so much $$ in this pot. Even if it is from the button and i do seem aggro and obvious i just cannot pass right?

Yeah, even the loosest of calling ranges from the blinds will still yield +EV. Even if you turned one of your cards face-up and showed it to the blinds, I still think shoving here is pretty unexploitably +EV.

edit: And thank for the kind words. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[BarryLyndon]

Be patient. When your 53s holds and you make a final table, you will feel like a beast and realize just how tremendous a player you really are.

Barry

[MJBuddy]

I dunno. Particularly I'd almost rather fold than jam two cards <5.

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I dunno. Particularly I'd almost rather fold than jam two cards <5.

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Is the calling range of the blinds so wide that shoving with a 5 high is really any different than shoving with 9 high? I think we shove because it's +EV even if we tore up our cards and walked away from the table before the flop was dealt if called.

[Indiana]

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Be patient. When your 53s holds and you make a final table, you will feel like a beast and realize just how tremendous a player you really are.

Barry

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thanks guys its just that i keep getting deep but haven't made a final table in over a year. seems i used to final table all the time before i shoved hands like this(due to my poker education on 2+2) but im sure that variance has a way of screwing w/u. I'm sure its a mathematical certainty that I'll bust through and final table one of these very soon.

The good news is that i do make a lot of $$ at other poker games away from MTTs so they are all freerolls for me.

[Stumpy]

Indiana,

If both guys called you with top 30% of their range (which is pretty insane):

49% of the time they fold and you win 8800.
51% of the time you're called and are 35.5% to win.

.51*(.355*(31,561) + .645*(-26,761)) + .49*(8,800) = +1,223 chips.

So shove away. That short, blinds that big, it's really hard to exploit you.