Two hands from a coaching session

[willw9]

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I will be VBing a queen here almost always

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seriously?

[tufat23]

hand 1: standard for msnl, too advanced for NL100

hand 2: suicide at NL100

[PBJaxx]

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I will be VBing a queen here almost always

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seriously?

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Against the right players, yes, but I am sick. Honestly, against a guy who will sometimes take the C/R line above w/air, I will not.

I should also note that it is much more likely that I am bluffing that river when checked to than VBing a queen, so that C/R is good against me.

[sdfsdf]

hand1 is reads based (reads that stats cannot provide) and since you didnt give any it looks like spew

[willw9]

Isn't the information of seeing villain's mucked cards more valuable than the value gaining from vbetting a Q? Seriously, how often do you ever get called by worse?

[PBJaxx]

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Isn't the information of seeing villain's mucked cards more valuable than the value gaining from vbetting a Q? Seriously, how often do you ever get called by worse?

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The whole vbetting a queen here probably isn't worth a huge discussion, and TBH I haven't really thought it through. If I did, though, I probably value-bet [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

More importantly, I think it will be a very rare situation where the value of seeing a mucked hand is higher than that of a river value-bet.

[EvanJC]

fwiw i like hand one b/c he is three betting light there a lot, imo. hand two i don't like too much, b/c i certainly can't expect him to fold a king.

[orange]

1 is good and a great way to combat light 3-betters.

2 is a bit meh overall. looks sortve like a hand like TT or whatever.

[tannenj]

i really doubt value betting a queen in hand 2 is +ev at 100 nl.

[AbreuTime]

re: Hand 2. Value-betting a Queen gets called by what? When the river gets checked to you, yeah, you're usually winning. But that is far from making a bet correct. You can get blown off your hand with a check-raise, a King never folds, and lower hands almost always fold. Getting value from a Jack, folding a split?

If against a regular who you will play against all the time, then for metagame purposes, it may be good to bet Q high (and show when he folds?). But I don't think it's +EV in this hand. If you want to sacrifice some EV here in exchange for later action, bet it, but I don't think it's a winning value bet.