Is this a terrible fold?

[StepBangin]

This is with about 210 left (600 paid) and UTG's stats are 11.1/8.9/2

PokerStars Game #13430825331: Tournament #67348736, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/11/24 - 00:14:48 (ET)
Table '67348736 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: BuyMrChips (217681 in chips)
Seat 2: slider2424 (14108 in chips)
Seat 3: FIREMILL (69929 in chips)
Seat 4: karamba11 (74068 in chips)
Seat 5: arazzi (20620 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (45230 in chips)
Seat 7: Neek555 (78001 in chips)
Seat 8: AmoriousV2 (58958 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: papygilles (43474 in chips)
BuyMrChips: posts the ante 400
slider2424: posts the ante 400
FIREMILL: posts the ante 400
karamba11: posts the ante 400
arazzi: posts the ante 400
HERO: posts the ante 400
Neek555: posts the ante 400
AmoriousV2: posts the ante 400
papygilles: posts the ante 400
FIREMILL: posts small blind 2000
karamba11: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
HERE GETS DEALT Ad Jc
arazzi: raises 16220 to 20220 and is all-in
HERO FOLDS

[StepBangin]

This was a few hands later, against the same guy.

PokerStars Game #13430914805: Tournament #67348736, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/11/24 - 00:21:03 (ET)
Table '67348736 13' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BuyMrChips (208881 in chips)
Seat 2: Wy-Ask-Wy (105785 in chips)
Seat 3: FIREMILL (56509 in chips)
Seat 4: karamba11 (125426 in chips)
Seat 5: arazzi (48840 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (36430 in chips)
Seat 7: Neek555 (69201 in chips)
Seat 9: papygilles (55582 in chips)
BuyMrChips: posts the ante 400
Wy-Ask-Wy: posts the ante 400
FIREMILL: posts the ante 400
karamba11: posts the ante 400
arazzi: posts the ante 400
HERO: posts the ante 400
Neek555: posts the ante 400
papygilles: posts the ante 400
Wy-Ask-Wy: posts small blind 2000
FIREMILL: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
HERO GETS DEALT Ah Td
karamba11: folds
arazzi: raises 4000 to 8000
HERO: raises 28030 to 36030 and is all-in


Thoughts?

[gtpitch]

So we just assuming Hero has ATC then?

Edit: Ok I see you added them in. NVM

[Fe81]

Reshove the first hand. He is under the gun with just a few big blinds. I'd say 75% of the time you are way ahead here and only have to worry about someone behind you waking up with something, but you have 10bb so this is an obvious shove.

I think the second hand is a fold. What made you fold AJ but reraise him with AT from pretty much the same position?

Did you have any reads on the guy, besides stats?

[StepBangin]

No other reads really

[bata2]

[ QUOTE ]
This is with about 210 left (600 paid) and UTG's stats are 11.1/8.9/2

$3.00+$0.30 (2000/4000)


Seat 5: arazzi (20620 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (45230 in chips)
Seat 7: Neek555 (78001 in chips)
Seat 8: AmoriousV2 (58958 in chips)
Seat 9: papygilles (43474 in chips)
Seat 1: BuyMrChips (217681 in chips)
Seat 2: slider2424 (14108 in chips)
Seat 3: FIREMILL (69929 in chips)
Seat 4: karamba11 (74068 in chips)

[/ QUOTE ]

Looking at the chipstacks villain is in a really bad position, having little or no FE a this blind level. So, how often are his stats skewed with the possibility that he had not been dealt any favorable cards to make a steal or seek a showdown with in the last few orbits ?


Personally, Hand #1 is a shove, and Hand #2 is a fold.

[LSgambler]

Hand 1: I cant emagine folding. Hes shoving range with just 5BB's is just too big for us to fold.

Hand 2: U have to fold this hand. UTG+1's preflop range has you crushed. If my math is correct villian is getting almost 2:1 on your shove and hes pretty short himself, so u dont have any FE really.

[hamnegger]

hand 1 : i have 10bb he has 5 im ahead.if he didn't open shove i would have shoved his shove just means more chips to win and i want those chips i need those chips.

hand2: you are making a move and are dominated if CALLED. there are still too many live players behind too. he is showing more strength here raising in ep. than in hand #1 where he is being blinded out soon. i fold.

[StepBangin]

Ok thanks, thats all I wanted to hear.

I wasn't actually the Hero in the hand, but a friend of mine was. Thats why I didnt have the original HH and had to add the cards in.

He is a member of 2+2 and insited he played both hands correctly and I basically told him that everyone here would shove hand #1 and fold hand #2.